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Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by Modgull » 20 Jun 2013, 06:49

Perhaps he waiting to see where Martin Ling ends up since they seem to follow each other around the football world!

Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by royalgull » 19 Jun 2013, 08:26

Wycombe I reckon, sold a centre half a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by CP Gull » 19 Jun 2013, 06:51

Not so sure that Saah will end up at Cheltenham now, as they have just signed centre half Troy Brown from Aldershot, so I would be a little surprised if they wanted Saah as well. Cheltenham seem to be adding well to what was already a decent squad, can see them doing well again next season.

As for Saah, it will be interesting to see where he ends up as there aren't too many League 2 clubs in and around the London area (Dagenham? Wimbledon? Southend? Wycombe at a stretch?) unless he moves up a League, or even down.

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by AustrianAndyGull » 14 Jun 2013, 11:01

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Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by bixieupnorth » 14 Jun 2013, 10:58

my favourite band of all time, shame i was slightly too young to see them live

Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by AustrianAndyGull » 14 Jun 2013, 10:20

Fair enough PR.

I keep hearing the Joy Division song on the bloody radio and always sing along with SAAH WILL TEAR YOU APART - AGAIN. Now I can't do that anymore so will try and resist singing every time I hear it from now on. Just try NOT singing it when you hear the song come on though, it's nearly impossible! :lol:

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by PlainmoorRoar » 02 Jun 2013, 21:51

AustrianAndyGull wrote: I think that's a little unfair. Ling signed Olejnik, Poke, Downes, Saah, Howe and a few others who have done really really well for us and some sold for a few quid too. Ok he signed some crap especially one player which i don't need to name but which manager doesn't? It was how he got them to play which contributed to some players struggling IMO, Downes, Saah and Poke have been overrun on many times this season but they have a bit of quality at this level and so were able to cope reasonably well under often severe pressure. Players like Oastler, Nico and some others defensively just couldn't handle being put under this amount of pressure most weeks and regressed. Nico is knocking on but has been an excellent player at this level and Oastler i believe could also have stayed and would have benefitted from a change of management.

Howe (penalties aside) scored us quite a few goals despite largely having p*ss all support or opportunites created for him so goes down as one of Lings best signings but like i said, Howe succeeded DESPITE Ling and not because of him. Can you imagine how many goals he would have scored if we had actually gone out there and attacked?

I think Ling failed himself by adopting an archaic way of playing and refusing to change it rather than because of his signings being crap. Nathan Craig too still has potential but is always played out of position. He could have got so much more out of what he had if he approached football with a different mentality and made better use of the players he had at his disposal.

We can say what we want about Ling and i often have but he has made this club a few quid (which cancels out the cash he wasted on Bodin - couldn't resist, sorry :Oops: ) and got some really good players to come to Torquay and i don't hold the opinion that the reason we struggled last season was because all our players were crap. I hold the opinion that we failed because a negative force was at work last season (and this time it wasn't me! :~D ) and once the rot has set in and this mindset has been absorbed by the players from the management then it becomes almost impossible to turn things around without a spark or a change of scenery. That spark came from Knill and Labadie and I thank the Good Lord it did come. :scarf:

Well i didnt mention about whether his signings where good or not

If Ling came back then imo he would have offered new deals to them both

whereas Knill who has actually been working with the players knows they aren't L2 standard

Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by exiledgull » 02 Jun 2013, 18:20

I think Saah was a good player, and someone that if he does leave will be hard to replace. However he is not irreplaceable. Im not going to jump on the bandwaggon and saying he is no good now he is on about leaving us. As we all know he was a good player.

Centre Halves are quite easily to come by in this division, Strikers on the other hand are not.

I hope he stays but if not, Knill will have to replace and replace well. He is already speaking to other players, so we shall see how it pans out. D-Day for the players is the 10th June. So we shall see.

Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by Plymouth Gull » 02 Jun 2013, 16:43

Surely Cruise will be our number one left back next year. It'll be a shame for Nicho who has been a great servant for the club over the years, but his time has come (and his legs have gone). Cruise showed in the handful of starts he made under Knill that he would be the better option of the two.

As I said at the time, I still think Oastler could have done a job, but if Knill is confident that he will get someone better in, then I'm all for it!

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by Sunnysideup » 02 Jun 2013, 15:15

AustrianAndyGull wrote:Howe (penalties aside) scored us quite a few goals despite largely having p*ss all support or opportunities created for him so goes down as one of Lings best signings but like i said, Howe succeeded DESPITE Ling and not because of him. Can you imagine how many goals he would have scored if we had actually gone out there and attacked?
Nothing quite stirs debate and polarises opinion like the question "Is XXX a good player or not?" Andy. I would disagree with your assessment of Howe because:- he hasn’t shown much inclination to be prolific anywhere else and if he made double figures (excluding penalties) it was courtesy of a keeper smacking the ball into him (AFCW?) and deflecting in a goal bound shot (Chesterfield?).

Someone like Izzy outscored him last season from a perennially struggling team, with Hyde and Midson on his shoulder this season (from what I would say were worst teams than us).
2 goals in his 13 games under a more attacking manager isn’t exactly setting the world alight (I know some were whilst the entire team were well out of confidence) but I don’t think we will have that much trouble replacing him.

Just to return to the thread topic, Im not really that fussed if he does go as long as AD signs. Replacing both at the same time would be a big ask but one shouldn’t present an insurmountable problem.

And yes Matt, a lot of problems did come from the full back areas. I lost count of the number of times AD had to slide out to the fullback position because Nico got bypassed further down the field and couldnt get back with the opponent. Cruise must surely start this season unless he has a bad run of form or gets injured.

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by Matt » 02 Jun 2013, 14:40

Pretty much everything that's been said is correct, the full backs were nowhere near the level they played at last season. I for one hope Cruise gets more starts than Nicho this year, as he is a much better footballer. Also agree with the Nathan Craig point, potentially a decent player but will never have the pace to be an out-and-out winger as he seemed to be trying to be, on managers orders of course.

We conceded 62 league goals all season (if the BBC is accurate) and that's not terrible, but obviously not desirable! Its a given that next season we'll need to improve on that, unless Knill convinces a terrific striker to join and our goal difference goes from -7 to a Bayern Munich-esque +80. I just don't think that Saah is necessarily a vital player to make that turnaround happen.

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by AustrianAndyGull » 02 Jun 2013, 12:26

PlainmoorRoar wrote:Agree to the above, Knill clearly see's it as a problem too with releasing both RB, It wouldnt surprise me if Ling had offered them both new deals!!
I think that's a little unfair. Ling signed Olejnik, Poke, Downes, Saah, Howe and a few others who have done really really well for us and some sold for a few quid too. Ok he signed some crap especially one player which i don't need to name but which manager doesn't? It was how he got them to play which contributed to some players struggling IMO, Downes, Saah and Poke have been overrun on many times this season but they have a bit of quality at this level and so were able to cope reasonably well under often severe pressure. Players like Oastler, Nico and some others defensively just couldn't handle being put under this amount of pressure most weeks and regressed. Nico is knocking on but has been an excellent player at this level and Oastler i believe could also have stayed and would have benefitted from a change of management.

Howe (penalties aside) scored us quite a few goals despite largely having p*ss all support or opportunites created for him so goes down as one of Lings best signings but like i said, Howe succeeded DESPITE Ling and not because of him. Can you imagine how many goals he would have scored if we had actually gone out there and attacked?

I think Ling failed himself by adopting an archaic way of playing and refusing to change it rather than because of his signings being crap. Nathan Craig too still has potential but is always played out of position. He could have got so much more out of what he had if he approached football with a different mentality and made better use of the players he had at his disposal.

We can say what we want about Ling and i often have but he has made this club a few quid (which cancels out the cash he wasted on Bodin - couldn't resist, sorry :Oops: ) and got some really good players to come to Torquay and i don't hold the opinion that the reason we struggled last season was because all our players were crap. I hold the opinion that we failed because a negative force was at work last season (and this time it wasn't me! :~D ) and once the rot has set in and this mindset has been absorbed by the players from the management then it becomes almost impossible to turn things around without a spark or a change of scenery. That spark came from Knill and Labadie and I thank the Good Lord it did come. :scarf:

Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by PlainmoorRoar » 02 Jun 2013, 11:47

Agree to the above, Knill clearly see's it as a problem too with releasing both RB, It wouldnt surprise me if Ling had offered them both new deals!!

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by chunkygull » 02 Jun 2013, 11:02

="yellowforever"]It's very interesting actually, we seemed to have too many defensive minded players playing yet we were also not that solid...

Unfortunately I think most of the defensive frailties stemmed from the full backs - with neither performing to the levels of the season before.[/


absolutely right, they were bloody dreadful, thats why 1 of them has now gone and the 1 left under contract will be warming the bench. The right hand side was truly shocking at times and the left not much better.

Re: Brian Saah linked with Cheltenham

by Kernowgull » 02 Jun 2013, 10:33

We did have about 15 defensive midfielders yes, but I wouldnt say they relieved the pressure on the back 4. And whilst I havent looked at the stats to see how many goals we conceded at home, we conceded 11 in the games against Rochdale, Cheltenham, Rovers and Aldershot. All games we attacked in, and picked up 8 points from. So we picked up more points when we concentrated on attacking. Take those games out of the equasion, and we didnt concede that many goals. I guess this kind of supports your arguement that they were protected by the midfield, but we struggled because the midfield didnt get the ball away from the defense for long enough.

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