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Just thought i'd reinvigorate (read that word up Alan and put in to practice) this thread and give those who STILL trust Knill their opportunity to get their points across and the positives you have seen in these games this season that makes Knill the right man to take us forward. It's only fair.

stefano wrote: It can't Andy because there is nothing there to change .... but I know what you mean

Dr Emet Brown and Marty McFly would disagree.

Matt.

Yep fair enough Dave. So what i'm saying is that the fans who trust him haven't yet seen anything tangible to suggest he will be a success but have faith in him whereas fans that want him gone also haven't yet seen anything tangible to suggest he will be a success and have the evidence to back up their opinion.

I think it is the fact that Knill is looking SO MUCH out of his depth and his decision making SO ODD that he has made things worse for himself. He has tipped fans who weren't too fussed about his appointment but willing to give it a go over the precipice by the wholly disorganised way he has gone about managing this club and all in the space of just 13 games. Most would have accepted a 10 point start if there was any sign of things getting better or Knill understanding what he is trying to do and it would be only a matter of time before everything clicked but we just look a complete mess, it's a total horror show at the minute and that is why Knill has disaffected more of us than we think. I don't think the fans criticising him are being unfair at all.

Well, it's another Ling v Board scenario isn't it? Knill v Board

Which one do we trust the most to get things right in the end?

Trouble with this Andy, is the thread is a loaded question, right now with a poor run of results, performances not at the levels they should be, it's difficult for anyone to come out a give reasons why they think Alan Knill is the man for the job, no evidence this going to happen, but lets say the teams wins the next 3 games on the spin, then ask the question again, you will get a very different response from us fickle fans.

AustrianAndyGull wrote:History isn't a valid reason for thinking Knill will fail or indeed turn the corner either GG. :na:

Oh and don't you just hate it when commentators say, "well x team hasn't won here since 1934" or something like that. So that means x team can't win on that particular day then does it?! Because they have a bad record which is history. History is just that - the future can be changed.

It can't Andy because there is nothing there to change .... but I know what you mean

History isn't a valid reason for thinking Knill will fail or indeed turn the corner either GG. :na:

Oh and don't you just hate it when commentators say, "well x team hasn't won here since 1934" or something like that. So that means x team can't win on that particular day then does it?! Because they have a bad record which is history. History is just that - the future can be changed.

There were very few who didn't think that Knill was the man for the job way back in May. He had saved us and most of you were saying how positive he and Brassy were. But if you look back in history you will see that the man who was brought in to save us with most of the season gone either didn't get signed up or was signed and had a mare the following season. need I provide the proof or have you all got memories.
Yes I will support the manager and team but history tells me it won't work for one reason or another.

The negativity around the club does not help.

I can only view the club from an outside perspective and although I am worried by some of the stories coming from people (some of who are closer to the clubs than others) I judge the squad to be far better than what we ended the season with last year. I also judge his loan signings brought in to be of a very decent standard.

Alan Knill is different from the previous managers we have recently had and seems a hard task master who distances himself from being friendly with the players. I suspect when a club is on a bad run then this does not help and as an outcome it fuels the stories - but this does not mean his approach is wrong for the long-term good of the club.

For me - a combination of bad luck with injuries and how the ball falls on the pitch, poor form (which every team hits at some stage) and a settling in period of a new squad and management team as well as a very negative fan-base, have all combined to produce the reasoning behind the circumstances we currently find ourselves in.

Of course some mistakes have been made but no manager is free from guilt of this – even Sir Alex.

I remain positive we are not in real danger of relegation and for me this will become distinctly more of a threat if the board act now, instead of giving the guy more time than many on here are prepared to provide.

I hope to be able to preach the very annoying lesson of "I told you so!" in the near future to the many doubters.

Thanks sunnysideup. We all know that a win could be just around the corner and we could go on a great run but if that is your belief then what makes you think this other than 'waiting and seeing'? If you have seen nothing to suggest this is around the corner (although it may be) then you are in the same boat as the rest of us who are just posting about what we've seen which is the same as what you have seen by and large.

I waffled a bit there but does that make sense?

I shall just paste this comment i put on another thread

About this time 2 seasons ago we had a team that went 8 without a win and had just lost 4 out of 5.

Having just been smacked 5-2 at home and 4-1 away and looking like we couldnt buy a win, how many people (apart from Hector) were clamouring for the managers head?

And were they still doing that come January/February?

If we don't do it Sky will. :}

AustrianAndyGull wrote:I would like our new manager to be an automaton that the fans can programme to set up the team and tactics. It then goes out there and delivers our wishes to the players so that we have only ourselves to blame if it goes wrong. If it goes right we can enter our manager into robot wars to get a few extra quid for the club and we can all go out and get slammed on whisky.

Kind of like Ebbsfleet taken to the next level !

Yes you are right wodge but like I said, it's not the basis of the here and now.

Just because someone was good at one club doesn't mean they will replicate that at another with different circumstances. What I want to know is based on the team we have AND what we have seen this season - why will he get it right?

Oh and coincidentally , the thread title happens to be one of the best songs Neds Atomic Dustbin ever made.

AustrianAndyGull wrote:Herein lies the problem.

Nearly 24 hours after I posted the thread and we have 2 responses (thankyou) as to why Alan is the right man for the job. All to quick to have a pop at the blokes slating the man on here but not prepared (or in typical torquay fashion - can't be arsed) to come on and say why they believe Knill will get things right.

I think no more need be said. You all secretly think Knill is weird and will take us down but can't bring yourself to say so.

To answer my question - none of you trust him.

A few people on other threads have tried to present the idea that he was a good manager at his other clubs, but no one has tried to justify his record at our club this season...........