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by ferrarilover » 30 Oct 2013, 14:21

Good of you to take the time, Glos, but I wouldn't (and didn't) bother. Anyone stupid enough to believe the original post won't be capable (or minded) to follow that lot.

Matt.

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by Glostergull » 30 Oct 2013, 13:01

TUFC4EVER wrote: The club chuck the fan out and get the police to deal with them, then the police are the one's who give the banning order. The police take into account what the individual done plus what the club feel is a relevant punishment. E.G. Callum, who threw a brick at the Wimbledon coach, was given a fine and a 1 year banning order from the police thank's to the club telling them what they think the punishment should be.
Sorry. That's total rubbish. The Police have no powers to issue banning orders. Only the courts have those powers. =I doubt the club have too much in the way of influence. But United can issue their own bans if they wish. as they can refuse entry to anyone they wish.


Football Spectators Act 1989 (FSA) 21A: detaining suspected individuals

This section and 21B apply during any control period in relation to a regulated a football match outside England and Wales or an external tournament if a constable in uniform -
has reasonable grounds for suspecting that the condition in section 14B(2) (application for a civil banning order) is met in the case of a person present before him, and
has reasonable grounds to believe that making a banning order in his case would help to prevent violence or disorder at or in connection with any regulated football matches.
The constable may detain the person in his custody (whether there or elsewhere) until he has decided whether or not to issue a notice under section 21B, and shall give his reasons for detaining him in writing.
FSA, section 21B: notice of proceedings to detained individuals

A constable in uniform may exercise the power in subsection (2) if authorised to do so by an officer of at least the rank of inspector.
The constable may give the person a notice in writing requiring him –
to appear before a magistrates’ court at a time, or between the times, specified in the notice,
not to leave England and Wales before that time (or the later of those times), and
if the control period relates to a regulated football match outside the UK or to an external tournament which includes such matches, to surrender his passport to the constable,
and stating the grounds referred to in section 21A.
For the purposes of section 14B, the notice is to be treated as an application for a banning order made by complaint by the constable to the court in question and subsection (1) of that section is to have effect as if the references to the chief officer of police for the area in which the person resides or appears to reside were references to that constable.
FSA, 21C: nationality of individuals subject to 21A and 21

The powers conferred by sections 21A and 21B may only be exercised in relation to a person who is a British citizen.
A person who fails to comply with a notice given to him under section 21B is guilty of an offence. Summary only: 6 months imprisonment and/or level 5 fine.
Where a person appears before a magistrates’ court in compliance with a notice under section 21B (whether under arrest or not) the court may remand him.
A person remanded on bail under (3) may be required by bail conditions
not to leave England and Wales before his appearance before the court, and
if the control period relates to a regulated football match outside the UK or to an external tournament which includes such matches, to surrender his passport to a police constable.
FSA, 21D: compensation

Where a person to whom notice is given under section 21B appears before a magistrates’ court and the court refuses the application for a banning order it may order compensation to be paid to him out of central funds if it is satisfied -
that the notice should not have been given,
that he has suffered loss as a result of the giving of that notice, and
that, having regard to all the circumstances, it is appropriate to order the payment of compensation in respect of that loss.
An appeal lies to the Crown Court against any refusal by the magistrates’ court to order the payment of compensation under subsection (1).
The payment of compensation by order under subsections (1) or (2) shall not exceed £5000 (but no appeal may be made under subsection (2) in respect of the amount of compensation awarded.

I do so hope that clears things up a bit.
Note that the act can only apply to British Nationals. So what foreign Nationals who get detained must be dealt with under different legislation.

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by Glostergull » 30 Oct 2013, 12:56

The Bristol News today is full of and operation to arrest loads of City and Rovers fans after the violence at the local derby cup match a few weeks ago. 28 Have been arrested in dawn raids and another 5 have voluntarily given themselves up. That's in addition to 56 arrested around the time of a match. I wonder how many of them will get banning orders.

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by Expresso » 29 Oct 2013, 15:18

Didn't a load get chucked out at Southend last year?

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by ferrarilover » 29 Oct 2013, 14:34

I've never seen such an inaccurate post in all my life.

Absolute poppycock.

Matt.

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by TUFC4EVER » 29 Oct 2013, 04:12

Alpine Joe wrote:Behind-the-Gulls Aren't these Government figures detailing Football Banning Orders imposed by the Courts ? I'm not sure it's anything the club has given out.
The club chuck the fan out and get the police to deal with them, then the police are the one's who give the banning order. The police take into account what the individual done plus what the club feel is a relevant punishment. E.G. Callum, who threw a brick at the Wimbledon coach, was given a fine and a 1 year banning order from the police thank's to the club telling them what they think the punishment should be.

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by tomogull » 28 Oct 2013, 22:09

BFC wrote:Ours (Bury) is quite good at 8 I think.
I wouldn't worry about your numbers, 15 of them could have been caught on a mini-bus with beers for all we know.

Still going to board up the windows at ours before you 'orrible lot crop up at weekend though, can't be too careful can you?!!
Nah - most of ours have been banned for using threatening behaviour with their walking sticks. Didn't expect either of our teams to be in the mire this season. As long as you Shakers are at least one place below us come next May, good luck for the rest of the season. :goal:

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by Dave » 28 Oct 2013, 21:02

Most of them are harmless, more likely to be your gang of o.a.p.s, pretty nasty bunch.

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by wivelgull » 28 Oct 2013, 20:56

It's the SpottyMob!

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by Dave » 28 Oct 2013, 20:53

Not to concerned about this, these figures do not tell us, what the banning orders are for, and who the people banned are.

Don't think we are going to see boots and laces taken over by a G,S,E style gang any time soon.

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by Fonda » 28 Oct 2013, 19:30

Considering the size of our support, we do have an unusually large idiot element. Small-town syndrome - kids who are bored, so find their only entertainment behaving like fools at the footy.

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by Glostergull » 28 Oct 2013, 19:25

hector wrote:Is it any coincidence that in the table that follows, scunthorpe United have 27, compared to our 1. Who was their manager at the time? A certain Alan Knill. Their's then drops and ours rises, as Alan Knill takes us over. Could supporters of clubs he manages be so up in arms that they revolt?

This is tongue in cheek btw but I cannot be bothered to look for smileys.
or could it be that we just have a revolting crop.

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by hector » 28 Oct 2013, 19:02

Is it any coincidence that in the table that follows, Scunthorpe United have 27, compared to our 1. Who was their manager at the time? A certain Alan Knill. Their's then drops and ours rises, as Alan Knill takes us over. Could supporters of clubs he manages be so up in arms that they revolt?

This is tongue in cheek btw but I cannot be bothered to look for smileys.

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by BFC » 28 Oct 2013, 18:29

Ours (Bury) is quite good at 8 I think.
When you are as close to a major city as we are you tend to get a few extra Danny Dire types for games where it might 'go off'

I wouldn't worry about your numbers, 15 of them could have been caught on a mini-bus with beers for all we know.

Still going to board up the windows at ours before you 'orrible lot crop up at weekend though, can't be too careful can you?!!

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by Alpine Joe » 28 Oct 2013, 16:40

Behind-the-Gulls
Is club over zealous in giving these out or something?
Aren't these Government figures detailing Football Banning Orders imposed by the Courts ? I'm not sure it's anything the club has given out.

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