by ferrarilover » 10 Nov 2013, 18:54
frenchgull wrote:Thanks Mat,knew I could count on you to respond to my posting,unfortunatly you have not convinced me that my thoughts and predictions are not correct.Sorry but forty seven years are forty seven years so it begins,1 Terminal decline as you say is death to torquay ,I did not mention terminal i say decline,no need to be over dramatic.I do not think Torquay will die,just decline into the conference area 2,Wonderfull facts(I take it they are correct,I do not have the time to recherch,I have a life),but unfortunatly these figures are all in the past,I am talking about the future.3,yep its true we have not been in the conference south,what I am saying is would we ever get out of the conference,last time we had a manager with a lot of conference knowledge and a budget that made us a BIG club in that division,would that happen again?4,Your ideas on lottery winners are truely bizzare,I must ask Dave Wheelan, Mr Abramavitch (sorry for the miss spelling) and the guy who owns the JacksonvilleJaguars who bought fulham let alone the arab owners of manchester city if one, they have a couple of bob more than our beloved chairperson and why they did not take the wonderfull opertunity of picking up Torquay United,perhaps its because all three clubs have massive potential ,in areas of great population,and in three cases are in the premier division,5,I am not an entreprenure but I dont drive a crap car and have a have decent house,you might want to appologise to the Hele village comunity on your slur about where they live,my point is I would like to see any of the board members,good loyal torquay supporters all,pitch the club in the Dragons den,I wonder how many would invest?.6,I agree there where no motorways in the last 100 years,again history,what you can not dipute is that we are a long way from the football world so every other week we set off on a very long journey to play an away match let alone tryingto attract players to the area.7,Who heard of Sky in the 50s or 60s,get real,on a cold ,wet,saturday or evening when there is football,rugby ect on the tele only the diehard supporters will come out ,look at yesterday,1800 fans!.8,Once again I bow to your factual knowledge but my point is how much longer will these clubs survive and if they do great, but I suspect its because where they live and they can attract players and their running costs are far less than ours.So in essance you have not countered any of my reasons and far from being insane i count my selve a realiste,if I where you I would get my head out of the sand or you might miss your tea.
I'll do my best to deal with this.
Terminal decline: To find ourselves in the Conference South would represent the end of Torquay United as we know it and as it exists today. All jokes aside, a team of plumbers and butchers training twice a week and sharing a pitch with Ipplepen FC in front of two dozen fans would not, in any way, be related to today's club. The TUFC we know (and you, as you are at pains to point out, have followed for 47 years) and love would cease to exist.
No need to be over dramatic: Sorry about the noise, it was my irony meter being overloaded.
You have a life: Again, in the face of a post which took you 10 times as long to write as it did for me to Google that information, my irony meter is in serious danger of being overloaded.
These figures are in the past, you're on about the future: Upon what are you basing your predictions of the future if not the occurrences of the past? Unless you're possessed of a crystal ball which is much better than mine, you have only the past upon which to make judgements about what is yet to come. (Just in case, what are next week's lottery numbers?)
What you're saying is "would we ever get out of the Conference": What, pray tell, did you mean when you said
"I think our true place will be in the conference south"
Would that happen again: I don't know, you're the one with the crystal ball, you tell me.
Lottery winners etc: You say I'm bizarre, then you ask why Abramovich chose to buy Chelsea rather than Torquay United. My head hurts. The point I made, quite obviously, was that you seem to be suggesting that being owned by a very wealthy woman is a reason for your belief that we will soon enough find ourselves in the Conference South. I may not have given you sufficient credit for posting in your second language.
Cars etc: No, nor I and we have he same circumstances regarding motors and houses. Thing is, our Directors must be doing something right. They're businessmen, senior professionals and not men who struggle to pay the gas bill. They aren't salaried workers, they aren't men who simply work 9-5 for their money, they are self made and they have managed to fight off sufficient competition to drop a hundred grand on motors and a cool half million on homes. Of course, it's not a strong argument, but I really haven't the will to go through all their relative achievements. Take it from me, they know what they're doing.
People in Hele can suck my cock, for all I care. Their village is a hovel. It should be walled in and left to rot. Torquay is a shithole, and Hele is the worst part of the whole town.
Dragons Den: I've not seen it, but I believe the idea is that a bunch of rich people invest in the best ideas. No, of course they'd reject it, it's madness, but then, that's not really relevant to anything, is it.
Motorways: Why don't you understand this? We've ALWAYS been miles from civilisation. This isn't America, we haven't relocated the franchise here from central London. We've always been this far from other places and we've never been a Conference South club. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that this will suddenly become such a significant problem as to render us liable to a two division drop. It didn't seem to hamper Plymouth on their run (and long stint) in the Championship.
Sky TV: A problem no doubt. Champions League and other midweek football is definitely a problem, but there isn't any football on TV at 1500 on a Saturday. As far as I know, it's unlawful to broadcast a Saturday afternoon game (not sure where the legislation is to be found, but I heard it a few years ago and it would seem likely to be true). The crowd yesterday was as low as it was because it was a very boring FA Cup game. No one cares about the FA Cup anymore and fewer people still give a toss about seeing us play Rochdale again. Crowds were down everywhere yesterday, don't read anything sinister into it.
Other teams: Again, you're the clairvoyant, you tell me how long these teams will last. We can speculate all we like, but all we know for sure is that, at present and for the last few years at least, these clubs have managed to do alright without attracting crowds even as large as ours. It must be possible. Not so long ago, Accrington made the Playoffs while attracting about 1200/week. Our crowds are not so small that they alone will see us relegated. This may or may not have something to do with the business acumen of the Board and their refusal to allow us to live beyond our means. How do you imagine our running costs are particularly high? We pay very little, we don't have anything to pay which other teams do not. We aren't spending silly money on legal fees fighting Judicial Review regarding our new ground (as per Bristol Rovers). We don't spend silly money fighting winding up orders every 5 minutes (as per Southend). We probably spend less than almost every other club in the division.
What I have done is present facts to counter your opinions (and reasoned opinion, in the absence of fact). Facts which you don't happen to agree with. I've more than countered your ramblings. That you do not accept my reasoning does not alter the truth of it. You carry on believing that we will, before long, crumble and die. Come back to me in 5 years when we're still (surprise surprise) sat where we always are, somewhere towards the bottom of L2.
Matt.
[quote="frenchgull"]Thanks Mat,knew I could count on you to respond to my posting,unfortunatly you have not convinced me that my thoughts and predictions are not correct.Sorry but forty seven years are forty seven years so it begins,1 Terminal decline as you say is death to torquay ,I did not mention terminal i say decline,no need to be over dramatic.I do not think Torquay will die,just decline into the conference area 2,Wonderfull facts(I take it they are correct,I do not have the time to recherch,I have a life),but unfortunatly these figures are all in the past,I am talking about the future.3,yep its true we have not been in the conference south,what I am saying is would we ever get out of the conference,last time we had a manager with a lot of conference knowledge and a budget that made us a BIG club in that division,would that happen again?4,Your ideas on lottery winners are truely bizzare,I must ask Dave Wheelan, Mr Abramavitch (sorry for the miss spelling) and the guy who owns the JacksonvilleJaguars who bought fulham let alone the arab owners of manchester city if one, they have a couple of bob more than our beloved chairperson and why they did not take the wonderfull opertunity of picking up Torquay United,perhaps its because all three clubs have massive potential ,in areas of great population,and in three cases are in the premier division,5,I am not an entreprenure but I dont drive a crap car and have a have decent house,you might want to appologise to the Hele village comunity on your slur about where they live,my point is I would like to see any of the board members,good loyal torquay supporters all,pitch the club in the Dragons den,I wonder how many would invest?.6,I agree there where no motorways in the last 100 years,again history,what you can not dipute is that we are a long way from the football world so every other week we set off on a very long journey to play an away match let alone tryingto attract players to the area.7,Who heard of Sky in the 50s or 60s,get real,on a cold ,wet,saturday or evening when there is football,rugby ect on the tele only the diehard supporters will come out ,look at yesterday,1800 fans!.8,Once again I bow to your factual knowledge but my point is how much longer will these clubs survive and if they do great, but I suspect its because where they live and they can attract players and their running costs are far less than ours.So in essance you have not countered any of my reasons and far from being insane i count my selve a realiste,if I where you I would get my head out of the sand or you might miss your tea.[/quote]
I'll do my best to deal with this.
Terminal decline: To find ourselves in the Conference South would represent the end of Torquay United as we know it and as it exists today. All jokes aside, a team of plumbers and butchers training twice a week and sharing a pitch with Ipplepen FC in front of two dozen fans would not, in any way, be related to today's club. The TUFC we know (and you, as you are at pains to point out, have followed for 47 years) and love would cease to exist.
No need to be over dramatic: Sorry about the noise, it was my irony meter being overloaded.
You have a life: Again, in the face of a post which took you 10 times as long to write as it did for me to Google that information, my irony meter is in serious danger of being overloaded.
These figures are in the past, you're on about the future: Upon what are you basing your predictions of the future if not the occurrences of the past? Unless you're possessed of a crystal ball which is much better than mine, you have only the past upon which to make judgements about what is yet to come. (Just in case, what are next week's lottery numbers?)
What you're saying is "would we ever get out of the Conference": What, pray tell, did you mean when you said [i]"I think our true place will be in the conference south"[/i]
Would that happen again: I don't know, you're the one with the crystal ball, you tell me.
Lottery winners etc: You say I'm bizarre, then you ask why Abramovich chose to buy Chelsea rather than Torquay United. My head hurts. The point I made, quite obviously, was that you seem to be suggesting that being owned by a very wealthy woman is a reason for your belief that we will soon enough find ourselves in the Conference South. I may not have given you sufficient credit for posting in your second language.
Cars etc: No, nor I and we have he same circumstances regarding motors and houses. Thing is, our Directors must be doing something right. They're businessmen, senior professionals and not men who struggle to pay the gas bill. They aren't salaried workers, they aren't men who simply work 9-5 for their money, they are self made and they have managed to fight off sufficient competition to drop a hundred grand on motors and a cool half million on homes. Of course, it's not a strong argument, but I really haven't the will to go through all their relative achievements. Take it from me, they know what they're doing.
People in Hele can suck my cock, for all I care. Their village is a hovel. It should be walled in and left to rot. Torquay is a shithole, and Hele is the worst part of the whole town.
Dragons Den: I've not seen it, but I believe the idea is that a bunch of rich people invest in the best ideas. No, of course they'd reject it, it's madness, but then, that's not really relevant to anything, is it.
Motorways: Why don't you understand this? We've ALWAYS been miles from civilisation. This isn't America, we haven't relocated the franchise here from central London. We've always been this far from other places and we've never been a Conference South club. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that this will suddenly become such a significant problem as to render us liable to a two division drop. It didn't seem to hamper Plymouth on their run (and long stint) in the Championship.
Sky TV: A problem no doubt. Champions League and other midweek football is definitely a problem, but there isn't any football on TV at 1500 on a Saturday. As far as I know, it's unlawful to broadcast a Saturday afternoon game (not sure where the legislation is to be found, but I heard it a few years ago and it would seem likely to be true). The crowd yesterday was as low as it was because it was a very boring FA Cup game. No one cares about the FA Cup anymore and fewer people still give a toss about seeing us play Rochdale again. Crowds were down everywhere yesterday, don't read anything sinister into it.
Other teams: Again, you're the clairvoyant, you tell me how long these teams will last. We can speculate all we like, but all we know for sure is that, at present and for the last few years at least, these clubs have managed to do alright without attracting crowds even as large as ours. It must be possible. Not so long ago, Accrington made the Playoffs while attracting about 1200/week. Our crowds are not so small that they alone will see us relegated. This may or may not have something to do with the business acumen of the Board and their refusal to allow us to live beyond our means. How do you imagine our running costs are particularly high? We pay very little, we don't have anything to pay which other teams do not. We aren't spending silly money on legal fees fighting Judicial Review regarding our new ground (as per Bristol Rovers). We don't spend silly money fighting winding up orders every 5 minutes (as per Southend). We probably spend less than almost every other club in the division.
What I have done is present facts to counter your opinions (and reasoned opinion, in the absence of fact). Facts which you don't happen to agree with. I've more than countered your ramblings. That you do not accept my reasoning does not alter the truth of it. You carry on believing that we will, before long, crumble and die. Come back to me in 5 years when we're still (surprise surprise) sat where we always are, somewhere towards the bottom of L2.
Matt.
