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New Manager - Big Ask

by Gullscorer » 07 Jan 2014, 15:16

If he's using words like 'gargantuan' then he's definitely a cut above most other managers. Even Paul Buckle would never have gone beyond 'massive'.. :-D

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by nickbrod » 07 Jan 2014, 13:49

Looks as if Greavsie has been reading this thread I started if his interview with Radio Devon is anything to go by! Under the heading:'This is a gargantuan task' he says becoming manager is ' a big ask'! But he's up for the challenge and reckons we have a good squad.
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by arcadia » 05 Jan 2014, 17:22

forevertufc wrote:That's strange arcadia, on this thread Harrop knows his stuff, on the Harrop for manager thread you're critizing him for making a wrong substitution and being more interested in milking the crowd.

To fair I do not disagree with what your saying there, welcome back to planet earth.. :) although I would add also, plenty of encouragement to get midfielders in front of the strikers (something they weren't doing, more maintaining two banks of four recently) is another way of getting them scoring , Hawley was coming deep and linking play up nicely so that could work with our current squad.
What I was trying to get across is Harrop set up a team which was balanced, I did not want to critize him because it was his day but you get drawn into it with your own views. I did feel that once he took Bodin off he should have put wide players on and change the formation to get more solid, you are to good. Why take off and go like for like Mozika was like a spare part.
I should have kept quiet.

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by Dave » 05 Jan 2014, 17:01

That's strange arcadia, on this thread Harrop knows his stuff, on the Harrop for manager thread you're critizing him for making a wrong substitution and being more interested in milking the crowd.

To fair I do not disagree with what your saying there, welcome back to planet earth.. :) although I would add also, plenty of encouragement to get midfielders in front of the strikers (something they weren't doing, more maintaining two banks of four recently) is another way of getting them scoring , Hawley was coming deep and linking play up nicely so that could work with our current squad.

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by arcadia » 05 Jan 2014, 12:37

forevertufc wrote:Agree in return Nick. To be fair to both sides neither could play The type of football they perhaps would have liked because of the pitch (no ones fault) During the second half diverts, more like mole hills. And if Chris Hargreaves is appointed I am sure he look at ways of getting more goals out of the said players, they are capable.
We've got to try and get behind teams and get the ball coming back for the strikers and midfield attacking it. Bodin can do this but Chapell struggles to make crosses they should be working on this. The problem is thev'e played every system in the coaching manual and had lost confidence untill Saturday. I think as most another striker is needed so it gives us the option to play 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 so you can attack and defend in the same formation. I new that when Knill went Lathrope would return it's common sence, Harrop knows his stuff. The formation Harrop played was good as it let players express themselves but he should have changed it to give their fulbacks something to do in the last half hour.

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by Dave » 05 Jan 2014, 00:07

Agree in return Nick. To be fair to both sides neither could play The type of football they perhaps would have liked because of the pitch (no ones fault) During the second half diverts, more like mole hills. And if Chris Hargreaves is appointed I am sure he look at ways of getting more goals out of the said players, they are capable.

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by nickfrench82 » 04 Jan 2014, 23:56

forevertufc wrote:I agree Chris, the distribution of goals through out the side this season hasn't been good enough, especially from midfield, however to be fair you've could factor in the style of football tactics employed by Alan Knill as partly the problem. Today was day 1 , new manager albeit temporary, different style more attacking and the team has created more chances today than we mustered in the previous three games.

We know that Billy Bodin, Lee Mansell and Joss Labadie can all score goals, we've seen the evidence with our own eyes, until a new manager is appointed, and he's had chance to work on the training ground and get his ideas across, it's perhaps unfair to suggest that these three players won't start scoring freely again, as they've done in the past.
Summed up well Dave. Score more goals and we'll be ok. Created far more chances today, played very well. It's obvious to everyone this is the problem. If we can get Marquis, or a Marquis type up front then we'll have someone to lead the line and enough in reserve to be able to affect the game from the bench.

The players have had a lot to cope with, much more than 4 games in 10 days, and it caught up with them in the last 10 minutes today. With a clear week, a new manager and fresh impetus I think we'll be in a far better position than we were today.

Today, the pitch was horrendous(full credit to groundstaff in getting the game on) and I think the only thing I would've done differently is replaced Hawley for Chapell and tried to catch them on the break as they came forward at us, which we proved we could with Billy's chances.

All in all, I think once the new gaffer is appointed, there are reasons to be cheerful and we still have a good chance.

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by Dave » 04 Jan 2014, 23:41

I agree Chris, the distribution of goals through out the side this season hasn't been good enough, especially from midfield, however to be fair you could factor in the style of football tactics employed by Alan Knill as partly the problem. Today was day 1 , new manager albeit temporary, different style more attacking and the team has created more chances today than we mustered in the previous three games.

We know that Billy Bodin, Lee Mansell and Joss Labadie can all score goals, we've seen the evidence with our own eyes, until a new manager is appointed, and he's had chance to work on the training ground and get his ideas across, it's perhaps unfair to suggest that these three players won't start scoring freely again, as they've done in the past.

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by CP Gull » 04 Jan 2014, 23:23

I guess the point I am trying to make Dave is that ONE striker may not be enough. Most successful teams share the goals across the team and yet I just don't see that happening with us. Of course, we could strike it lucky and loan a striker that hits double figures between now and the end of the season but surely we will need goals from other areas of the pitch if we are to survive? At the moment, being honest, I cannot see the likes of Hawley, Benyon, Bodin, Mansell, Lathrope et al even hitting 5 goals for us this season let alone double figures! Our most consistent goal scorer, all season, has been our centre half, Downes ...

By way of an example, young Billy, undoubted talent that he is ... will probably end up playing over 40 games for us this season, all of them in an advanced position, but I will wager with anyone now that Downes will out score him over the course of the season! Same with Mansell, Lathrope and probably even Hawley and Benyon ! Quite simply, there are just not enough goals in this TEAM! Hopefully the new man will recognise this and certainly Labadie is a step in the right direction but far too often this season our SIX forward thinking players just never ever look like scoring ... just shooting (on target and with some power) would make such a refreshing change, but sadly there is no evidence that the existing squad have it in them! :(

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by Dave » 04 Jan 2014, 23:04

CP Gull wrote: To be honest it runs deeper than that. Is there anyone amongst our fanbase who would back anyone from our current squad to finish top scorer ahead of our CENTRE HALF Aaron Downes?

Does anyone feel confident enough to predict that anyone from the likes of Hawley, Benyon, Bodin, Cameron, Mansell, Lathrope,Craig or Mozika will outscore him this season ...'cos I don't!!! I accept that young Chapell might, but even that must be in some doubt, given that he wasn't even selected today!

The fact is that we quite simply don't look like scoring, in so many areas of the pitch. Just signing a striker, may not be enough I am afraid.
Indeed Danny, the o/p asks whether Hargreaves is up to the job, well if he doesn't know how to go out and secure a loan striker, and is to become our manager, then the last one out turn off the lights. Of course he does.

Chris I don't normally disagree with you, but on todays evidence, I do disagree with you, we've created more than enough chances to win the game today, via midfield and Hawley/Benyon, if we had a goal scorer out there today, this game would have been won before half time, so it might just be a case of signing a striker.

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by CP Gull » 04 Jan 2014, 22:55

dannyrvtufc4life wrote:So, your point is that it will be a huge ask for the new manager (Hargreaves?) to loan a striker?
To be honest it runs deeper than that. Is there anyone amongst our fanbase who would back anyone from our current squad to finish top scorer ahead of our CENTRE HALF Aaron Downes?

Does anyone feel confident enough to predict that anyone from the likes of Hawley, Benyon, Bodin, Cameron, Mansell, Lathrope,Craig or Mozika will outscore him this season ...'cos I don't!!! I accept that young Chapell might, but even that must be in some doubt, given that he wasn't even selected today!

The fact is that we quite simply don't look like scoring, in so many areas of the pitch. Just signing a striker, may not be enough I am afraid.

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by Colorado Gull » 04 Jan 2014, 22:40

So, your point is that it will be a huge ask for the new manager (Hargreaves?) to loan a striker?

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by Dave » 04 Jan 2014, 22:35

My god, will the poster name Jesus please come and give me some divine strength and guidance. I am not trying to turn this in to an argument, I agree with you, have been all the way through the thread, everyone agrees with you, yes you're right , we need to win games, to do that we need to score more goals, so we need a striker who converts more chances.

What makes you think, the new manager if it Chris Hargreaves, isn't going to/doesn't know that, what makes you think the club are not going sign a loan replacement for Marquis.

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by nickbrod » 04 Jan 2014, 22:24

We need, surprise, surprise, a striker. Marquis came on after 78 minutes for Millwall in their 4-1 FA Cup defeat at Southend. That suggests he's not returning to us.

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by Dave » 04 Jan 2014, 22:19

nickbrod wrote:Sorry to be repetitive but you have to win home games to stay in the League you are in. Two wins at home = relegation. With a new manager and 10 home games left it could be done.
Who's next at home? Northampton. Guess what needs to be done?
I fully agree with you, 2 home wins isn't good enough to stay up, we're not scoring enough goals to stay up right now, but you're confusing me. whats your point? What are you trying to say? what needs to done, isn't going to get done, maybe ? Or it won't be done, maybe? Or it can't be done, maybe ?

Everyone recognises what needs to be done, we need a new manager in place and a striker who converts chances into to goals, give me a reason why this will not be done.

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