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Goodness me, give the bloke a break. Who really cares what he calls the thread? How desperately sad are some people's lives that they have to take such umbrage at a slightly misguided thread title when there are so many more things to be cross about.

The facts are our league position. Couple that with the players we have, the way they have played and the endless rotation of line ups and formation and relegation seems somewhat inevitable.

Pretty soon it will be clear that all have succumbed to that idea, even though he politically correct noises will come out of the club like 'until it's mathematically impossible' 'we'll keep on fighting etc' when we know and they know that it's pretty much a given now. I'm resigned to it now.

If your going to call your thread "Look at the facts" then you must expect someone like Matt to come along and pull holes in it when you present none, because that's what Matt does. As for opinions here some of mine.

Yes Nicholson is a club legend, yes he does love the club, he will be hurting just as much as us right now, he will give blood, sweat and shed tears for the club, but he has gone some way now past his best, been slow for a while now, but experience has helped him, also managers can forgive it, when a player can strike a dead ball, put in corners and throw in's like Kev could, but that's gone now as well, dead balls yesterday rubbish, and worse of all one point in the second half had all time in the world to bring the ball down, tried to whack it forward first time, ball comes of at right angles and nearly killed a seagull. Don't want to single out Nicho he's not the only one, if the club needed a 10 ft wall building, manse would get the bricks and build it himself, he cares to, as do others, but that's not what we need.

What need right now is players who can deliver, not Wilkinson/O'Brien. Not a big fan of Nathan Craig being honest, but he can deliver good accurate ball into the box, and Yeoman will never give up, and more importantly has some experience and proved at Morecambe last season what he is capable of, bring them back today, put Thompson in, he's our player, and plays with no fear, put Goodwin up top with Yeoman and see the results change over night.

Fcuk me I agree with Matt.

This is the worst thread ever made a crap post with no information knowledge or indeed facts with the title look at the facts.

4 points off safety a terrible home record, our top scorer is our substitute centre back. There's a few facts.

Brucie, fair play to you. Despite your sometimes contraversial responses I do respect your opinions and to a large extent agree with a lot of your views. At the end of the day its all about opinions.
Matt, you may be a nice guy, but on here you come across as someone who wilfully dismisses and disrespects the views of anyone who disagrees with you. Its all very easy talking to a computer screen when you know you are right. But a word of advice, if you don't mind. We all supposedly support the same team? Maybe, you could be a little more tolerant to others who have a different opinion. If not, why bother posting?

brucie wrote:This team is on a par with that of the Chris Roberts era. Thats how bad it is and that is why we are going down.

I wish I could argue, but Brucie has this one spot on. A team packed full of young loanees, more rotation than a wheel on the M5.

Can't see us getting out of this now. AC and Accy were our chances to pull ourselves out, and someone else in, and we have failed miserably.

Mysonjackg wrote:Thanks Ferrarilover for your anticipated response. As stated in my original post, some of you may shoot me down in flames. Well, I have been put to the matt and brucie firing squad!

Anyway, not to be put off, I'll try again.

The point of the post was to say that despite how bad things appear, we can still make a difference as fans of our club. Lets face it, it looks a tough task. But, if I posted saying we are doomed, we are sh@t,.what is the point?

I have supported this team for the last 36 years and dont intend giv
ing up yet. Whether you deem my post to be entitled correctly or not, I couldn't care to be honest. Why not use this forum as a vehicle of positive support for the team? If not what is the point.

Half of your posting - the assessment of the players - are not facts. They are opinions - YOUR opinions. And I disagree strongly with several of your opinions. Yes - we have 45 points to play for and somehow we must try to stay positive but we need a minimum of 23 points to stay up and after today's gutless performance, can you see where we're going to get half of the points available? I'm beggered if I can !

Because we cannot make any difference at all. There is zero atmosphere at the ground. It is actually the worst atmosphere I have experienced in 50 years of going to Plainmoor.
The reason for this is that the fans know that we will lose every game. There is nothing to cheer. Like today - you just sit there fearing the inevitable and waiting for the opposition to eventually score a goal and win the game.
Fair play to you for not giving up but I won't be making the 150 mile round trip on Tuesday night. We are relegation certainties. The final nail went in the coffin today I'm afraid.
This team is on a par with that of the Chris Roberts era. Thats how bad it is and that is why we are going down.

Could happily have posted that very boring thought in any one of about 5 other threads. I could have happily ignored it and you wouldn't have had to bother with all the bullshit about "facts". **** silly thread from which I shall withdraw, lest I nod off reading it.

Matt.

Thanks Ferrarilover for your anticipated response. As stated in my original post, some of you may shoot me down in flames. Well, I have been put to the matt and brucie firing squad!

Anyway, not to be put off, I'll try again.

The point of the post was to say that despite how bad things appear, we can still make a difference as fans of our club. Lets face it, it looks a tough task. But, if I posted saying we are doomed, we are sh@t,.what is the point?

I have supported this team for the last 36 years and dont intend giv
ing up yet. Whether you deem my post to be entitled correctly or not, I couldn't care to be honest. Why not use this forum as a vehicle of positive support for the team? If not what is the point.

The fact is we are still in this. We aren't down yet.

Barely half of that is fact, but this is becoming tedious already. Agree with Tezza. If the OP really must voice his deeply unoriginal opinion, there are plenty of pre-existing, appropriately titled threads in which he could have offered them.

Matt.

Supes, you did that deliberately.

the only fact is that we are going down.

Mysonjackg wrote: 15 games to go this season - that's 45 points!

Chris Hargreaves has had 6 games in charge as a manager. Won 2 and lost 4 is hardly setting the world on fire. So that's' 6 out of a possible 18 or 1 point a game...
The point is, we are where we are.... And Let's face it we are not very good.

He has had 6 games to cut his teeth, weigh up the team or whatever else you want to call it.
We are in dire straits and now calls for the time to be a little intuitive. I remember a long time ago we played a big centre half by the name of Matt Eliott up front alongside a young centre forward by the name of Jimmy Smith. We hammered the opposition 4-0!

STARTS TUESDAY by the way.............

7.45 Plainmoor, Be there.....

All the above is fact.

Hers is another fact - we are going down., Its all over.

ferrarilover wrote:I can't see a single **** fact in any of that.

Matt.

Yes there is.

15 games that's 45 points.

That, my Italian car loving friend, is a fact.