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Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Mav » 11 Mar 2011, 07:58

Still looking for his targetman according to main site
http://www.torquayunited.com/page/News/ ... 20,00.html

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Trojan 67 » 09 Mar 2011, 20:28

doogull wrote:I was today speaking to a Mr B Palk when I was purchasing some lino for my bathroom and we spent best part of an hour discussing the gulls and paul buckles relentless efforts in trying to sign a targetman to no avail but is confident of getting a forward on board for saturdays match he wouldn't elaborate on whom and what club it is but all he did say was it was the club are from the north, brilliant that narrows it down but he assured me that we are doing everything they can.
Reference to Matlock and Hannah ?

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Trojan 67 » 09 Mar 2011, 20:24

bixieupnorth wrote:wonder if this will happen this week, rumours were that name would be revealed early this week, thats yesterday or today then??!!
Fletch wrote:Depend on how much persuading the individual takes, to realise that a chance of first team action will do his career more good than playing in the youth/reserve teams...
Both Bix and Fletch are spot on.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Fletch » 08 Mar 2011, 09:36

Depend on how much persuading the individual takes, to realise that a chance of first team action will do his career more good than playing in the youth/reserve teams...

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by bixieupnorth » 08 Mar 2011, 06:50

wonder if this will happen this week, rumours were that name would be revealed early this week, thats yesterday or today then??!!

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Fletch » 04 Mar 2011, 17:43

scottbrehaut wrote:Fletch - check here: http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/fact_sheets/ ... s_driving/

D by DD can be classed by something as "trivial" as changing a CD in a player.

My point was, even though this is a tragic case, and I have every sympathy for the dead persons family, this is in no way as bad (in my opinion) as that of the cases involving McCormick (Muff keeper), and Hodges, who were both very clearly pissed and then fled the scene in order to avoid getting done for death whilst hammered drunk. Didn't help them though as they both still got caught.

Like I said, just my opinion. I know that I have changed CD's etc whilst driving, it is so easy to do so. Even keeping to the speed limit (and there is no indication in any of the reports I have read that Robertson was speeding at all) can cause an accident whereby another person dies.
Without wanting to "diss" your summary (or Matts) this would indicate a style of driving that could be considered somewhat dangerous and possibly why D by DD and not DWCA was laid?
Alan Murphy, prosecuting, said the high speed crash was captured on CCTV and he was calculated to be travelling at between 122 and 124mph.
Mr Mohamed was doing between 67 and 71mph.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by ferrarilover » 04 Mar 2011, 17:27

SOOOOOOOORRY, I knew it was Luke something and my (very small) brain filled in the rest. Since this is very unfair on the innocent, I'll ammend the original post.

Matt.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Richinns » 04 Mar 2011, 16:50

ferrarilover wrote:Ok, without getting clever, there is a distinction in law, between the classification of the two offences.

Drink driving (to avoid unnecessarily pompous terminology) is an offence requiring both mens rea (a guilty mind) and actus reus (a guilty act). This is that to be guilty of the offence, one must, wilfully or recklessly, be over the drink-drive limit and be driving a vehicle.
Death by dangerous driving is an offence of strict liability. That is, there is no requirement of mens rea involved. One doesn't necessarily have to wilfully or recklessly drive in a dangerous manner to be found guilty. To give an example; no reasonable person would believe that changing tracks on an iPod would lead to another persons death, whereas hitting someone in the face with an axe is foreseeable as likely to cause death or serious injury.

It is for this reason that Robertson was sentenced to slightly less than half the jail time to that which was awarded to the Plymouth 'keeper Luke Gutteridge.

Who among us can honestly say they have never given anything but 100% concentration to the road at all times? Mobile phone buzzes, you glance down to see who's calling, look up, you've hit a cyclist. Driving through town, come to complicated junction, check the sat-nav to see where to go, look up, you've hit an old lady on a zebra crossing.
Unfortunately, there are so many cars on the road now that it is absolutely unavoidable that from time to time, they will bump into one another. From here, it is basic math that some of these incidents will be fatal.

What occurred that day has forever, irreversibly, changed the lives of a very great number of people, but, while the outcome may have been broadly similar, the events leading to those outcomes are so markedly different from case to case as to warrant unequal social judgment for Robertson and, say, Gutteridge or Hughes.

Matt.
Luke Gutteridge should surly read Luke McCormick Matt ? :slap:

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by ferrarilover » 04 Mar 2011, 16:39

Ok, without getting clever, there is a distinction in law, between the classification of the two offences.

Drink driving (to avoid unnecessarily pompous terminology) is an offence requiring both mens rea (a guilty mind) and actus reus (a guilty act). This is that to be guilty of the offence, one must, wilfully or recklessly, be over the drink-drive limit and be driving a vehicle.
Death by dangerous driving is an offence of strict liability. That is, there is no requirement of mens rea involved. One doesn't necessarily have to wilfully or recklessly drive in a dangerous manner to be found guilty. To give an example; no reasonable person would believe that changing tracks on an iPod would lead to another persons death, whereas hitting someone in the face with an axe is foreseeable as likely to cause death or serious injury.

It is for this reason that Robertson was sentenced to slightly less than half the jail time to that which was awarded to the Plymouth 'keeper Luke McCormick.

Who among us can honestly say they have never given anything but 100% concentration to the road at all times? Mobile phone buzzes, you glance down to see who's calling, look up, you've hit a cyclist. Driving through town, come to complicated junction, check the sat-nav to see where to go, look up, you've hit an old lady on a zebra crossing.
Unfortunately, there are so many cars on the road now that it is absolutely unavoidable that from time to time, they will bump into one another. From here, it is basic math that some of these incidents will be fatal.

What occurred that day has forever, irreversibly, changed the lives of a very great number of people, but, while the outcome may have been broadly similar, the events leading to those outcomes are so markedly different from case to case as to warrant unequal social judgment for Robertson and, say, McCormick or Hughes.

Matt.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Scott Brehaut » 04 Mar 2011, 16:22

Fletch - check here: http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/fact_sheets/ ... s_driving/

D by DD can be classed by something as "trivial" as changing a CD in a player.

My point was, even though this is a tragic case, and I have every sympathy for the dead persons family, this is in no way as bad (in my opinion) as that of the cases involving McCormick (Muff keeper), and Hodges, who were both very clearly pissed and then fled the scene in order to avoid getting done for death whilst hammered drunk. Didn't help them though as they both still got caught.

Like I said, just my opinion. I know that I have changed CD's etc whilst driving, it is so easy to do so. Even keeping to the speed limit (and there is no indication in any of the reports I have read that Robertson was speeding at all) can cause an accident whereby another person dies.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Fletch » 04 Mar 2011, 14:45

scottbrehaut wrote:There was no suggestion of going too fast was there....My point was that being drunk behind the wheel is a deliberate act, and that they fled the scene. Changing the music in the car is, whilst producing tragic consequences this time, a fairly regular occurance on Britains roads.
At the risk of stoking a bit of controversy (& Matt will probably know better than me due to his recent studies) I seem to remember several cases where the charge was Due Care & Attention for an accident while distracted by something like this (regardless of the outcome)...D by DD usually has aggravated circumstances attached to it? (& I stand by to be corrected by any "experts" on here) :|

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Scott Brehaut » 04 Mar 2011, 13:08

There was no suggestion of going too fast was there....

My point was that being drunk behind the wheel is a deliberate act, and that they fled the scene. Changing the music in the car is, whilst producing tragic consequences this time, a fairly regular occurance on Britains roads.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by brucie » 04 Mar 2011, 12:13

Scott - grow up. "he was only changing the music" - what speed was he going at the time?

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by ferrarilover » 04 Mar 2011, 01:51

Jeff wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we got someone in, given the fact Gilligan has returned home. We now can accommodate 2 additional loan players in any matchday squad (unless I missed someone) which would seem to give Buckle what he wanted.

On the subject of target-men, may I suggest Phil Walsh of dagenham. Scored a few on loan at Barnet earlier this season. 6th 3in, but more importantly has spend most of his career at places like Dorchester, Bath, Tiverton etc. O.k not exactly mouthwatering but if there is one managers scouting I pay respect too it's John Still at Dagenham. If he sees there's a player in someone, than they can play. Given the westcountry allegiance I reckon Walsh is worth a shot.
Good call Jeff, ticks a lot of boxes for me. Dagenham were the worst of the promoted sides last year and got up based purely on scoring more goals than the opposition (if you see what I mean). They had 5 shots on target against us at their place last year and scored 5 goals. Not a bad one among them from memory. Been on loan already and to a side much worse off than ourselves (in the table, I mean), so probably not at the forefront of the mind of the manager. Big and tall, like that. Been down in the lower non-league, so won't be a Premier League prima donna, all man bags and no running. Not averse to coming to our little geographically anomalous outpost and, best of all, as you say, John Still is no mug when it comes to spotting talent from the obscurities of the 6th tier and below.
Further to this, he's 26, so a decent age, not a kid with no nous, but not an over-the-hill oldie either.
Wiki says he was on loan at Cheltenham Town for a month from Jan 6th. I might head over there now, see what I can find.

STOP THE PRESSES: according to Wiki, he is brother-in-law to none other than serial drunk and womaniser Kelsey Grammer, TV's very own Dr Frasier Crane. I LOVE that show, can we have him please, and can KG come along to watch!?!?!?!

Matt.

Re: NEW TARGETMAN

by Jeff » 03 Mar 2011, 23:18

I wouldn't be surprised if we got someone in, given the fact Gilligan has returned home. We now can accommodate 2 additional loan players in any matchday squad (unless I missed someone) which would seem to give Buckle what he wanted.

On the subject of target-men, may I suggest Phil Walsh of dagenham. Scored a few on loan at Barnet earlier this season. 6th 3in, but more importantly has spend most of his career at places like Dorchester, Bath, Tiverton etc. O.k not exactly mouthwatering but if there is one managers scouting I pay respect too it's John Still at Dagenham. If he sees there's a player in someone, than they can play. Given the westcountry allegiance I reckon Walsh is worth a shot.

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