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If Chris goes?

by nickbrod » 08 Mar 2015, 15:57

Whilst my main concern is to see us reach the 'safety' of those 50/53 points as quickly as possible my over-riding issue concerns the club off the pitch.
Without proper leadership and finances in place there will be no team to support regardless of what happens on the pitch.

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by kevgull » 08 Mar 2015, 11:39

6 months, prove yourself contract, with bonuses if targets reached... Simples!

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by hector » 08 Mar 2015, 10:13

In terms of Hargreaves, his time and days are probably numbered. Once speculation and reaction starts hitting this sort of fever pitch, the departure of the manager is somewhat inevitable - when polls are being introduced on forums and the overwhelming view is that a manager should go, then it is surely only a matter of time.

Tuesday could spell the end, as a sub-1500 crowd, watching the club meekly lose to Chester, after the defeats to Telford & Wrexham, offers no way back, for manager, team or credibility.

I have desperately wanted CH to succeed. He was probably the right manager at the wrong time and a year under Sturrock would have served him well, in the way that Bruce Rioch wasn't too proud to work under Frank O'Farrell for a year. Can you ever imagine a situation, when we have a World Cup captain as player-coach?

Back to the question of the thread - and if Chris goes - who to come in? Paul Cox is the obvious candidate for me, in that he is available and has a very successful track record in non-league football with Eastwood Town and Mansfield Town. Whether that success would be restricted, geographically, to Nottinghamshire, where he would know the players and footballing landscape is another matter - players from that neck of the woods are increasingly unlikely to relocate to the shambles that is now TUFC.

Steve Burr, now at Chester would have been a favoured option, but now Chester are doing better than us, with crowds to match, so we are unlikely to be able to tempt him. Mark Yates, ex-Cheltenham, Dave Hockaday (currently at Coventry) are two with West Country links who have had their good moments at this level.

My concern is that the parochial elements amongst the fanbase (and directors, for that matter) would call for the obvious names like Alex Russell, Steve Tully, Kevin Hill, Leroy, Sean Joyce - you may even get a revival of the halfwits who used to call for Martyn Rogers, now he is back at Tiverton. I even saw someone on twitter calling for Guy Branston.

Why is it, that some people cannot see beyond someone who has worn yellow and blue? Ex-players coming back rarely works (although admittedly it did with Buckle, but he was hardly a legend and became more synonymous with Exeter than Torquay) and we have seen with Saunders and Hargreaves that being a 'legend' does not qualify you for successful management.

However, Hargreaves, I thought might be someone who could make the transition. He is intelligent, passionate, had been serving his apprenticeship coaching at Exeter and Bournemouth - there right credentials were there for an up-and-coming manager but not in the middle of a relegation battle, and those ruling with their heart, rather than their head, when selecting Hargreaves, not only did for the league status of TUFC but also the fledgling management career of Chris Hargreaves.

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by Southampton Gull » 08 Mar 2015, 10:10

Nobody can blame you for that stance but I hope you reconsider. Thea has recognised that she needed help from outside the Board and without the players on lucrative contracts holding us back I see next season almost as a fresh start. I won't get to many games next year but I'll be repaying the debt we all owe the Bristow family by buying a season ticket. I hope as many people as possible look at the bigger picture and follow suit.

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by hector » 08 Mar 2015, 09:55

Burnhamgull wrote:I think we'll go sub 1500 on Tuesday night, the fans are now voting with their feet and if I didn't have a ST, I wouldn't be going either.

The club will get a huge shock in the summer when they start trying to sell ST's.
I have a season ticket but I just couldn't be bothered yesterday (although illness and moving house contributed to that decision) and I will not be going on Tuesday. It has been a waste of money getting a season ticket this year, due to the amount of games I have had to miss and it was against my better judgement that I bought one. I won't be repeating that mistake next season. When the early bird comes, it can fly away, as I will not be wasting my money next season, to the extent I have this year.

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by wodger of awabia » 08 Mar 2015, 09:27

Gullscorer wrote:Perhaps it was an impossible job in the circumstances. SG is right in that the situation at Plainmoor was and is not conducive to success. However, as an inexperienced manager CH was bound to make some mistakes, and of course some would argue too many. They could be right. But I shall reserve judgement. Because the question is, could any other manager have done better in the circumstances, and the answer is possibly. However, I have always maintained that any new manager needs two full seasons at a club before one can judge his capabilities at the club. But this is assuming that everything else is in place to provide the manager with what he needs to achieve success. Patently, this has not been the case at Plainmoor. We can only hope now, barring a miracle from CH, that Kelvin Thomas comes up with a master plan for a near miraculous solution..


Double Roll-over next week? everyone buy a ticket!

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by Burnhamgull » 08 Mar 2015, 09:02

I think we'll go sub 1500 on Tuesday night, the fans are now voting with their feet and if I didn't have a ST, I wouldn't be going either.

The club will get a huge shock in the summer when they start trying to sell ST's.

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by StretfordGull » 08 Mar 2015, 02:22

What do the players think is going to happen if we lose 1-0 at home to AFC Telford? The culmination of over half a season of the worst football any of us have ever seen?
Do they honestly think that the reaction is going to be a warm one?
The penny dropped for me away to Altrincham. My goodness me that was a terrible performance and every game I've seen since hasn't been better.
Up until that point I was lambasting others for stopping going to the games in protest. Now, after awful performance after awful performance, I'm frankly amazed 1600 turned up.
The players and management have failed us (the board too I suppose), so people are voting with their feet. Why should we turn up? What's the point? Give us a reason. If the players aren't making the effort then why should we pay to see them.

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by Trojan » 08 Mar 2015, 01:20

Didn't go today as after last weeks shambolic performance I now refuse to use my money to pay wages of players who don't care!
CH is not the main problem, a Captain that puts in no effort and gives V sign to supporter who dares to voice criticism is!
The players have let CH down, and the fans. Crowds will continue to drop until they reach
crisis level. Fans will be blamed for not attending as the club sinks into oblivion.
50 years of my support ended at Wrexham game as did lots of others. Please, please giv us our club back!!

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by Admiral » 08 Mar 2015, 01:01

Gullscorer wrote:Threads like this, understandable though they may be, unfortunately do nothing to diminish the atmosphere of negativity and expectation of failure around Plainmoor and amongst supporters, and do nothing to lift the morale and motivation of players. The club cannot afford to keep changing managers; it needs new investment (a new benefactor?) more than it needs a new manager. Certainly it cannot look to the supporters and fans for salvation; there were never enough of those at the best of times, and if the club looked to them for advice it would be playing in the Southern League in no time.. :-/
:goodpost:
The club is in desperate need of investment so CH can bring in players that can shine at this level. None of you were ever expecting an immediate return to the FL on peanuts and you'd be lying if you were, nevertheless the performance and result today were inexcusable. Give Chris his own squad next season and then judge. We're neither going up or down so it's best to judge him on his squad in the summer rather than the questionable team sheets and tactics we've seen too often this year.

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by kevgull » 07 Mar 2015, 23:33

Kelvin has come to redecorate TUFC so that we can be sold off as soon as possible.
Let's hope that he has some building skills and does not paper over the cracks!

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by Gullscorer » 07 Mar 2015, 23:28

Perhaps it was an impossible job in the circumstances. SG is right in that the situation at Plainmoor was and is not conducive to success. However, as an inexperienced manager CH was bound to make some mistakes, and of course some would argue too many. They could be right. But I shall reserve judgement. Because the question is, could any other manager have done better in the circumstances, and the answer is possibly. However, I have always maintained that any new manager needs two full seasons at a club before one can judge his capabilities at the club. But this is assuming that everything else is in place to provide the manager with what he needs to achieve success. Patently, this has not been the case at Plainmoor. We can only hope now, barring a miracle from CH, that Kelvin Thomas comes up with a master plan for a near miraculous solution..

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by SuperNickyWroe » 07 Mar 2015, 22:52

Gullscorer wrote:Threads like this, understandable though they may be, unfortunately do nothing to diminish the atmosphere of negativity and expectation of failure around Plainmoor and amongst supporters, and do nothing to lift the morale and motivation of players. The club cannot afford to keep changing managers; it needs new investment (a new benefactor?) more than it needs a new manager. Certainly it cannot look to the supporters and fans for salvation; there were never enough of those at the best of times, and if the club looked to them for advice it would be playing in the Southern League in no time.. :-/
It needed a manager who could do the job in the circumstances that were presented at the time.

Unfortunately - in my opinion -it wasn't - and isn't - CH.

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by MF68 » 07 Mar 2015, 22:43

Sorry Gullscorer. What the Club cant afford is another bad appointment.

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by CP Gull » 07 Mar 2015, 22:33

Quite honestly, if there was the money kicking around to pay off Hargreaves, I would probably prefer it to be spent on bringing in a more senior figure to work with/ guide Hargreaves through the rest of the season - someone like Paul Sturrock would be ideal.

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