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Geoff Harrop to Yeovil ?

by Dave » 05 Jun 2015, 08:00

Thanks for pointing Neil Osbourn out to me John, I genuinely had forgotten about him, and I saw him play for the academy a few times, so really shouldn't have. there was no need to point out Liam Prynn, if read back through my posts you'll see I am more than well aware of what route he came through, and contained in that post is my opinion as to why, I do not see him as yet, a produced player.

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by John Griffett » 04 Jun 2015, 23:07

forevertufc wrote:when the club has to date produced absolutely nothing from the academy.
Neil Osbourn - Sold to Southampton
Liam Prynn - Almost went to Villa and is now in the first team
Both of these came through the academy not signed at 16 and then just youth team development.

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by Dave » 03 Jun 2015, 17:40

tomogull wrote: As Mitch has posted on this thread, he presumably knows about the Youth Scheme. Maybe he can give us some information in GCSE English on how the various scheme levels operate. ;-)

Even though I've quoted Tommo's post this reply is meant more in general.

Thanks for your support, and to other supportive posts. I'm going to stick my neck out now, and say with a great deal of certainty that who ever this mitch is ( and the poster concerned is guilty of an act, of total cowardice ) is not someone with a direct connection to our youth set-up, what mitch may not know is I've been involved in local youth development coaching for 10 years, I've stepped down recently after coming to the end of my U18 season, with W.B.B Blue U18, I have had a previous voluntary involvement in our youth set-up, and I'm known to Robbie, Kenny both say hello and sometimes stop for a chat when I see them, I know the clubs former academy goalkeeper coach, and a lad called Kevin who was on the coaching staff is also some one known to me, in fact last time I did a coaching refresher down at Devon FA , Kevin was on the same course, that's why I'm confident it is not someone who is involved with our club that would post such a thing.

Also not ashamed to admit, I've been to ISCA and the cat+fiddle and seen first hand how Exeter's youth set up works as well, I have never ever claimed to be an expert, nor I have I claimed my opinions are correct, at least my formed opinions do have some base to them.

I said it in the past and I'll say it again, the clubs no 1 priority should be to keep a category 3 youth set up, that goes with out saying, but it's the practicalities of it, I am not, and never have been someone who advocates any organisation introducing a measure where by someone loses their job, been victim of a company closure myself, not the nicest feeling.

However we have five full time youth academy staff, while the club are filling the first team with £150 pw 17 year olds, and it's highly likely that CH will be forced down the road of filling his squad with dirt cheap trialists, I am saying that the club should retain some form of youth set up, which allows it to continue to develop the best young players in this area, however, the club almost certainly should be looking at a much cheaper alternative, one that allows more money to be pushed into the first team budget, and give us at least a chance of being competitive at our level.

Finally if the poster called Mitch has anything about them, who ever it is would log into the site send me a PM revealing who you are, you'll find me extremely approachable, and I'm more than happy to discuss this topic with you away from the public forum, lets see if you do !!

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by tomogull » 03 Jun 2015, 15:45

Mitch wrote: What a big mouth tw*t you are. f**king know nothing halfwit.
Well, Mitch - you don't actually say why you think Forever is a (quote) 'f**cking know nothing halfwit' so I can't argue for or against your opinion. I think if you read postings on the Forum regularly, you might change your mind because I find Forever's posts well reasoned and sensible and he never resorts to slagging off other posters. That doesn't mean to say that I always agree with him !

Going back to the Youth set-up, there's a very compelling article in favour of retaining the Youth Scheme in today's Herald Express written by Dave Thomas. He asks instead of questioning whether the club can afford to maintain the Youth Scheme, we should be asking 'Can we NOT afford to keep the Youth Scheme'. If my computer non-skills allowed me to include a link to the article, I would. Maybe one of you IT whizz kids out there can do it for me ! He also suggests this is an area where TUST might be able to assist with funding which is what I suggested on another thread many moons ago. Forever has posted about level 2 and level 3 Youth Schemes. I'm not that well up with the Youth Scheme to know the difference but I fully agree with Dave Thomas article that there should be a Youth Scheme of some sort for the future of the club.

As Mitch has posted on this thread, he presumably knows about the Youth Scheme. Maybe he can give us some information in GCSE English on how the various scheme levels operate. ;-)

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by taxilady » 03 Jun 2015, 14:06

forevertufc wrote: Well I'm absolutely, personally, delighted that one of my posts has inspired you to join the forum, congratulations and may I extent a warm welcome to you.
:) :lol:

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by Dave » 03 Jun 2015, 14:02

Mitch wrote:What a big mouth tw*t you are. f**king know nothing halfwit.
Well I'm absolutely, personally, delighted that one of my posts has inspired you to join the forum, congratulations and may I extent a warm welcome to you.

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by Scott Brehaut » 03 Jun 2015, 12:57

Mitch wrote: What a big mouth **** you are. **** know nothing halfwit.
You could at least learn how to use the quote function properly if you are going to insult posters. It adds a bit more weight to your argument, and prevents you from coming across as some sort of bellend.

;-)

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by Richinns » 03 Jun 2015, 12:51

Mitch wrote:What a big mouth tw*t you are. f**king know nothing halfwit.
If you have a reasoned argument for disagreement with what another member (forever) has posted then I am sure we would all like to hear it. If you are connected with Geoff or the youth scheme in anyway then your insight would be very welcomed but I think it is slightly irrational to just respond in such an attacking way (especially as this is your first post) without explaining your reason/s for doing so.

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by PhilGull » 03 Jun 2015, 12:50

Wow! That's some first post Mitch!

Added in 1 minute 22 seconds:
Interestingly the only comment on that article refers to players and parents being told that the academy will definitely be there next season and so they are unable to talk to other clubs.

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by RussianGull » 03 Jun 2015, 12:48

Mitch wrote:
What a big mouth tw*t you are. f**king know nothing halfwit.
A fine first post.

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by Mitch » 03 Jun 2015, 12:37

[quote="forevertufc"]Well if I've come across angry over this Rich, I apologise. I am in no way at all angry over Harrop leaving the club, just irritates me when the likes of Harrop come out complaining about people speculating about him going here, there and everywhere, when the speculation was created by himself.

He has clearly been telling his academy lads and families he's off, and it's because the club can't afford to run the youth set up anymore, so he can't then complain about the speculation.

It's not the case that I personally do not back what we've produced from the youth academy, more the case of me questioning why the club is spending a reported figure of £2,000 a week running such a youth set up (on another forum) when the club has to date produced absolutely nothing from the academy.

And there has to be an understanding of the difference between the academy ( 8-16 year old) and scholar professional ( U18 ) neither Ives, Lavercombe or Odfin came through our academy, Prynn did, but as yet none of these have actually made the grade, see Halpin/Thompson etc

What a big mouth **** you are. **** know nothing halfwit.

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by Richinns » 03 Jun 2015, 08:45

Please don't think I am having a go Dave - not the case.

Lads and kids spread rumour faster than fans forums! so him being honest and saying he is speaking to other clubs (Yeovil) and that no guarantees can be made about the future of the current youth set-up can quickly change into something else. If you heard it directly from his mouth then fair enough but otherwise might it be a case of 2+2 = 5?

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by Dave » 03 Jun 2015, 08:36

Well if I've come across angry over this Rich, I apologise. I am in no way at all angry over Harrop leaving the club, just irritates me when the likes of Harrop come out complaining about people speculating about him going here, there and everywhere, when the speculation was created by himself.

He has clearly been telling his academy lads and families he's off, and it's because the club can't afford to run the youth set up anymore, so he can't then complain about the speculation.

It's not the case that I personally do not back what we've produced from the youth academy, more the case of me questioning why the club is spending a reported figure of £2,000 a week running such a youth set up (on another forum) when the club has to date produced absolutely nothing from the academy.

And there has to be an understanding of the difference between the academy ( 8-16 year old) and scholar professional ( U18 ) neither Ives, Lavercombe or Odfin came through our academy, Prynn did, but as yet none of these have actually made the grade, see Halpin/Thompson etc.

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by Richinns » 03 Jun 2015, 08:19

forevertufc wrote:Geoff Harrop says;

"Too many people have been talking about where I'm supposed to be going, without knowing the facts,"

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/T ... story.html

Don't try and pull that, old with out knowing the facts chestnut Mr Harrop, I've had messages from your own academy lads and parents of academy lads telling me you've "gone" to Yeovil. these rumours of where your supposed to be going, could only have come from something you've said in public, no one else.
Hmmmm - you seem to be slightly angrier than need be about this. He seems like he wants to stay but obviously has to explore other options in the 'likelihood' that he will not be able to do so in the same capacity in which he is working in now.

Yes he is talking himself up but there is a reason why Yeovil, Northampton and (he states) Premier League teams are tracking him. I know you do not fully back what we have produced through the youth team but you cannot argue Harrop is highly thought of at our level.

He is just looking after his own and in the same position we all currently would be doing the same.

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by Dave » 03 Jun 2015, 07:53

Geoff Harrop says;

"Too many people have been talking about where I'm supposed to be going, without knowing the facts,"

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/T ... story.html

Don't try and pull that, old with out knowing the facts chestnut Mr Harrop, I've had messages from your own academy lads and parents of academy lads telling me you've "gone" to Yeovil. these rumours of where your supposed to be going, could only have come from something you've said in public, no one else.

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