Torquay United Fans Forum

Just because brucie makes a contribution that doesn't mean to say it is automatically wrong. On most - if not all - instances brucie has been proved right, with his remarks telling the truth about a situation. I'm with him all the way.
Incidentally, I can't understand why 'Mr' Dean Edwards was ever involved with the club in the first place (I exclude playing days here).

That came as a throwaway remark to a less than serious party who made a cheeky bid for the club. Things are not always as they seem.

I am partially reassured by the statement from the board. However why no mention of the Roberts allegations that they (the current board) wanted £1m to sell the club to the Roberts group?

DevonYellow wrote:I admire your optimism, I honestly do! But, and it's a big but, he has had 12 chances to convince us and yielded one win. We have gone backwards if anything. Lots of us see this, we can't all be wrong! Other managers come in after the window has shut and make a difference with what was left, that's what makes them decent managers.

As I posted elsewhere...on Saturdays I'm right behind him and the lads but I'm not going to sit here and just believe everything is miraculously going to get better when all the evidence before me suggests it won't.

DevonYellow wrote: Do I honestly think a better manager could have got a tune out of those players? Yes, yes I do.

An eleven of Lavercombe, Berry, MacDonald, Smith, Butler, Hurst, Richards, Heslop, Shep, Marsh, Wright should have more than enough to see off some of the teams we've lost against.

I know we won't agree on this....hey that's what makes forums interesting, but I bloody hope it's you that's right.

One of the reasons I disagree is that more than just a couple of those players just can't be bothered. Of the others there is less than a handful that can be relied on to carry out the managers directions. Hopefully once we can get a few replacements in to add to what's worth keeping we'll all see a big difference in performances.

To some extent you both make good points: a different, more experienced, manager might have got more out of the players, but not necessarily so. The efforts (or lack of effort) of the players derive from their attitude and degree of commitment to the team and to the club, which can be due to a number of factors: some may be homesick, some may be finding life too stressful living independently on such low incomes, a few may simply feel they do not fit in. Perhaps what the clubs needs more than anything right now is a good sports psychologist. It works for Johanna Konta; why not for the Torquay United team. At the very least, bring in somebody experienced such as Paul Sturrock to assist and advise.

Southampton Gull wrote:Err what was left? Do you really think anybody could have gelled those players into a team?

I'm not claiming Nicholson to be the new messiah but I do recognise that he's the one best placed to change our fortunes. No disrespect intended but I'm starting to feel that some people are only happy when being negative, I've never been that way. I'm not blind, we've been woeful but the efforts of the players have been mostly to blame for that.

Do I honestly think a better manager could have got a tune out of those players? Yes, yes I do.

An eleven of Lavercombe, Berry, MacDonald, Smith, Butler, Hurst, Richards, Heslop, Shep, Marsh, Wright should have more than enough to see off some of the teams we've lost against.

I know we won't agree on this....hey that's what makes forums interesting, but I bloody hope it's you that's right.

We are miles too small and the local population is miles too apathetic for our club to be successful under community ownership.

We live in a place occupied by three types of people:

1) young, dumb and mum - dole scum bussed in by the dozen for reasons unknown. Famous for having no money for anything except twenty Lambert and Butler.
2) very, very old people - famous for having no money for anything except Gala Bingo's Thursday night OAP special.
3) a tiny handful of middle class people - famous for having plenty of money, but a fondness for authentic camembert and Jaguars has left us with little ambition to own a football club.

You need, what, 800,000 to run TUFC for a year and do it properly. That's still £200 each between 4000 people.

I reckon somewhere in the order of 1200 of our regular 1700 attendees are hardcore fans. I'd say 3/4 of them would not be able to fritter away an extra £200, let alone the £666 it would actually be. That leaves (as is so often the case) a tiny number of us to foot an annual bill of somewhere around £2000. I'll grant you, it's excellent value. It's considerably less than I begrudgingly hand over every year to the treasury, only then for them to hand most of it to the aforementioned dole scum. Would I do it? Would I pay getting on for £2500 to watch Conference level football 24 times a year?

Hahahahaha, would you?

Matt.

Posts like yours are so boringly predictable. In the past we've strung results together and you're nowhere to be seen. Lets hope Nico succeeds

And will Nicholson drop himself...not a chance and he is fecking useless. We could sign Ajala, Daniel, Ched Evans and a couple more but we would still get relegated with Nicholson playing and nodding dog Herrera directing things on the sidelines

Of course it is still doable - look at Southport but with the next three games being played in which we will inevitably lose (and heavily) the gap is going to be a whole lot bigger.

We havn't got a hope of avoiding relegation and anybody who has bought into this garbage must be stupid or barmy, or probably both.

Err what was left? Do you really think anybody could have gelled those players into a team?

I'm not claiming Nicholson to be the new messiah but I do recognise that he's the one best placed to change our fortunes. No disrespect intended but I'm starting to feel that some people are only happy when being negative, I've never been that way. I'm not blind, we've been woeful but the efforts of the players have been mostly to blame for that.

I admire your optimism, I honestly do! But, and it's a big but, he has had 12 chances to convince us and yielded one win. We have gone backwards if anything. Lots of us see this, we can't all be wrong! Other managers come in after the window has shut and make a difference with what was left, that's what makes them decent managers.

As I posted elsewhere...on Saturdays I'm right behind him and the lads but I'm not going to sit here and just believe everything is miraculously going to get better when all the evidence before me suggests it won't.

We tried that either side of Hargreaves, did either work out? Does experience guarantee anything? Nicholson is the manager and that's that, why keep on championing a new manager? We've got one who's identified what's wrong and has set about changing it, surely he deserves a chance to do his job?

Southampton Gull wrote:If only you knew the half of it. It isn't solely about their wages but other contract details that needed addressing for the good of the club. "This team" is already being dismantled, Nicholson has had his hands tied up till now and to judge him on trying to get the best out of "this team" is unfair on him. He knows better than most just how useless and downright lazy some of them are. With the numbers that still thought it ok to go and party after the latest performance it's clear just how much rot is in "this team.team"

The thing is many, including me, would rather the squad was re-assembled by someone with at least a bit of managerial experience.

He's the boards man though and to be fair to them they are backing him but, as admirable as that is, I honestly feel he lacks the tactical knowledge to get us out of this mess. The next month is huge for us.

As an aside I thought you approved of the bonding session in Liverpool?

If only you knew the half of it. It isn't solely about their wages but other contract details that needed addressing for the good of the club. "This team" is already being dismantled, Nicholson has had his hands tied up till now and to judge him on trying to get the best out of "this team" is unfair on him. He knows better than most just how useless and downright lazy some of them are. With the numbers that still thought it ok to go and party after the latest performance it's clear just how much rot is in "this team"