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TUST Not An Option

by PhilGull » 02 Nov 2016, 20:39

Glostergull wrote: if thats the thought then you should be afraid. very afraid because the way the public has responded so far is way short of what it would take.
and just why should the directors if they have put in money not get it back. if I had put money into the club which kept it going and was then told I should give it all away then i would be backing off
The current board have actively discouraged the local community from getting involved with the club.

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by Glostergull » 02 Nov 2016, 20:26

PhilGull wrote: I think the public share issue is where the bulk of the money will come from to fund things in the immediate future. I would hope that the current owners - being the fans that they are - would hand the club over at cost (£30000 each?) if not for free.
if thats the thought then you should be afraid. very afraid because the way the public has responded so far is way short of what it would take.
and just why should the directors if they have put in money not get it back. if I had put money into the club which kept it going and was then told I should give it all away then i would be backing off

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by Burnhamgull » 02 Nov 2016, 18:51

Of the clubs listed, only Crewe and Rochdale can claim to be doing "ok". Every other club is either in with us or went bust and reformed. Hence why TUFC will probably head the same way.

I'm not blaming the fans for the current mess, I'm simply saying that Torbay is not a football hotbed and will always struggle to support a football team because the majority of the population don't care. Since Ling left, it's been dire.

Even when we've done well, we've only scratched 3,500 as a rough average home gate.

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by SenorDingDong » 02 Nov 2016, 18:43

Burnhamgull wrote:And sadly, that's where a previous poster comes in.......

The public in Torbay do not care about the football club. If you don't back a club, you won't survive. This hasnt happened over the past 12 months. This club has always been on the edge. Right back to the days when we always had to seek re-election to the football league.
Bollocks, the fanbase may be apathetic at times and nothing like the fanbases of clubs in major cities, the Midlands and North but to have averaged over 1.8k last season with the shower of crap we were given shows that a core population of the Bay does care about the club. Given development we could support League One football, just like Yeovil did but it would require an ownership that knew what they were doing...and hopefully an uptick in the local economy thanks to the Link Road. We averaged over 3k in our first season in the Conference. It's not something that could happen overnight but it's possible, Burton, Yeovil etc have shown that a well run team can be successfully despite moderate history and catchment areas.

Our 2(!) re-election bids during the 4th division era reflect fairly well compared to Hartlepool's 11, Crewe's 7, Barrow's/Halifax/Rochdale/Southport's 6, Chester/Darlington/Stockport/Lincoln's 5 etc etc. Hell even our neighbours up the road in Exeter also had 2 re-elections. We may be small but we haven't historically been a basketcase for the majority of our history. Indeed there's only really been 3 periods when we have been, the Webb era, the Roberts era and now. Bateson's was an up and down rollercoaster.

Don't try and blame the fans for the mess that Phillips et al have made, last season we delivered everything they asked for as part of their 'turnaround plan' and somehow they've created a situation where the club is just as indebted as when they took it over, despite cutting practically all the staff, putting out a team on one of the lowest budgets in the league and receiving thousands through the fan's fund.

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by tomogull » 02 Nov 2016, 16:28

Southampton Gull wrote: It isn't hard to see why Steve Breed was shafted now. He would never have entertained GI being involved and that is why they got him out of the way. A die-hard fan as CEO, GI's worst nightmare.

A finance manager drawing a similar salary to him but hardly ever showing her face didn't help either. Missed meeting after missed meeting and guess who will be back if GI complete their "takeover".
I, and I expect many supporters, have long thought this was behind Steve's departure, but this is the first time as far as I am aware that anyone has actually come out and said so. His departure was yet another shabby episode at the club over the past three or four years. I've a great respect for Steve because he just walked away and has not resorted to slagging off the club nor anyone connected with it. All he has said that he was hurt the way his role as CEO was terminated.

I didn't even know we had a finance manager at the club until it was announced that she was leaving ! Like most fans, I have no knowledge about what goes on away from the pitch - e.g. she missed meeting after meeting or that she is in some way in cahoots with GI. As I'm sure you will remember, her father, Ian Hayman, was a director for many years with finance as his remit and in my view, he served the club well. So I'm surprised daughter appears not to be following in dad's footsteps ....

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by Southampton Gull » 02 Nov 2016, 03:39

gullpower wrote:Only TUST ie the supporters as owners, would have the club's best interests in mind.

GI and Peter Masters would want to line their pockets with silver, perhaps even at the expense of the club's survival.

It isn't hard to see why Steve Breed was shafted now. He would never have entertained GI being involved and that is why they got him out of the way. A die-hard fan as CEO, GI's worst nightmare.

A finance manager drawing a similar salary to him but hardly ever showing her face didn't help either. Missed meeting after missed meeting and guess who will be back if GI complete their "takeover".

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by Rjc70 » 01 Nov 2016, 23:38

Buckle in charge wasn't 20 years ago, Burnham.

Nice example of how match funding can get £100k, kitrobin. Another way, of course, is to get an interest bearing loan from a property developer with the Club reverting to them on default and then wonder why the original takeover talks fell through. Good work Dave Phillips. Hope you enjoy the forum tomorrow.

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by Burnhamgull » 01 Nov 2016, 23:01

Paul Buckle was involved 20 years ago! 20 years ago, SKY was in it's infancy. Now kids can watch a better level of football almost every day of the week at home. Why go to Plainmoor?

24 years ago, I watched Justin Fashanu score a winner against Stoke City at Plainmoor. Last night I sat in the Bet365 stadium watching Stoke beat Swansea in front of big crowd. We used to be in the same division as both those clubs but over the last 20 years they've grown. Why? Because they're from largely populated areas that will back a club when it does well. South Devon has a fairly decent population but we attract 1600 to homes games.

I've never expected the club to be anything more than L1 at best but currently, I would crave L2 football.

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by PhilGull » 01 Nov 2016, 22:54

Burnhamgull wrote:And sadly, that's where a previous poster comes in.......

The public in Torbay do not care about the football club. If you don't back a club, you won't survive. This hasnt happened over the past 12 months. This club has always been on the edge. Right back to the days when we always had to seek re-election to the football league.
I think the attendances towards the end of last season and when Buckle was in charge show that people do care. This current board, even more than those previous have done nothing to encourage the fans, and with the way they have dealt with the TUST they have actively discouraged fans from involving themselves with the club.

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by gullpower » 01 Nov 2016, 22:53

hector wrote:There is a murky cloud hanging over TUFC. Masters has been loitering like a bad smell for some time and GI are clearly only in this for the property and building. Now it was only a couple of months or so ago that the deal to buy TUFC fell through because of the inability of Phillips/Masters/GI to wrestle the ground from council ownership.

What do GI want with a football club that they cannot get the ground for? As Jon pointed out on TFF, PLainmoor with TUFC as tenants is worthless but Plainmoor without TUFC is worth millions.

I think people like Matt think the likes of Masters/GI are going to pump a fortune into the club so we can reclaim our place in the higher leagues. That is a ridiculous and naive supposition.

The club will fold/be liquidated under the ownership of Masters/GI. They want property. It has been so obvious for so long - only David Phillips et al have been too blind to see it. They have blocked TUST at every turn when had the club really supported community ownership, then they could have been helping build up TUST for the last 18 months.

Instead they have handed it on a platter to GI. It's too late now. The club is gone - you better hope TUST has enough support to start up a phoenix club.
:goodpost:

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by Burnhamgull » 01 Nov 2016, 22:49

And sadly, that's where a previous poster comes in.......

The public in Torbay do not care about the football club. If you don't back a club, you won't survive. This hasnt happened over the past 12 months. This club has always been on the edge. Right back to the days when we always had to seek re-election to the football league.

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by hector » 01 Nov 2016, 22:43

There is a murky cloud hanging over TUFC. Masters has been loitering like a bad smell for some time and GI are clearly only in this for the property and building. Now it was only a couple of months or so ago that the deal to buy TUFC fell through because of the inability of Phillips/Masters/GI to wrestle the ground from council ownership.

What do GI want with a football club that they cannot get the ground for? As Jon pointed out on TFF, PLainmoor with TUFC as tenants is worthless but Plainmoor without TUFC is worth millions.

I think people like Matt think the likes of Masters/GI are going to pump a fortune into the club so we can reclaim our place in the higher leagues. That is a ridiculous and naive supposition.

The club will fold/be liquidated under the ownership of Masters/GI. They want property. It has been so obvious for so long - only David Phillips et al have been too blind to see it. They have blocked TUST at every turn when had the club really supported community ownership, then they could have been helping build up TUST for the last 18 months.

Instead they have handed it on a platter to GI. It's too late now. The club is gone - you better hope TUST has enough support to start up a phoenix club.

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by PhilGull » 01 Nov 2016, 22:33

Burnhamgull wrote:For a long time I have believed that eventually the professional english game will consist of only two professional divisions. Almost certainly populated with the football clubs from the largest towns and cities.

In reality, clubs from larger towns or cities can always rely on big support the minute there's a sniff of a half decent season. Just look at how Argyle are top of the league but still getting moderate attendances.

Somebody once said on ths forum that if TUFC offered free entry, we still wouldn't fill Plainmoor. That sums up the local population. Nobody cares and nobody has ever cared. It's a shame but it's a sad reality.
But if they were involved through TUST ownership and a community share scheme would they become more interested? I think they would.

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by Burnhamgull » 01 Nov 2016, 22:23

For a long time I have believed that eventually the professional english game will consist of only two professional divisions. Almost certainly populated with the football clubs from the largest towns and cities.

In reality, clubs from larger towns or cities can always rely on big support the minute there's a sniff of a half decent season. Just look at how Argyle are top of the league but still getting moderate attendances.

Somebody once said on ths forum that if TUFC offered free entry, we still wouldn't fill Plainmoor. That sums up the local population. Nobody cares and nobody has ever cared. It's a shame but it's a sad reality.

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by gullpower » 01 Nov 2016, 21:31

Burnhamgull wrote:
The rich get richer and the poor go bust.
:goodpost:
That sums up English football for me.

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