Torquay United Fans Forum

Burnhamgull wrote:http://www.wolvesheroes.com/2016/02/14/ ... f-torquay/

Plainmoor78 wrote::no: I should not have tried to research this at 2am. Darlington 1883 were relegated to 9th teir because the old Darlington would have been relegated to conference north that season anyway. Fc Halifax Town were relegated to Northern Premier div one, which is the 8th teir, equivalent of Southern League div one for us.
The 9th teir ruling that I mentioned applies, I think when a new club has no predecessor club. Meeting the ground grading criteria would also apply in all cases.
My apology for this balls up, unfortunately it has been also been mentioned another forum.

Southampton Gull wrote:It doesn't really take a clever person to get one over on our Board. Dean Edwards took them foe 5 figures and still walks around Torquay like some messiah.

ferrarilover wrote: Where would we be without the money they loaned us? What players would we have? Would Nico still be here? Would we be in administration and sat on -10 points?

Matt.

ferrarilover wrote: Where would we be without the money they loaned us? What players would we have? Would Nico still be here? Would we be in administration and sat on -10 points?

Matt.

torregull wrote: TUST represented the fans' "concerns and interests" when the Board got "into bed"with GI-when everyone(but the Board) it seems. realised they were totally unsuitable buyers for the club.Unfortunately, they didn't listen and though the deal eventually fell through,the consequences of the loan agreement they entered into now threatens the very existence of the club.

Plainmoor78 wrote:Rjc70, can't give you the exact FA ruling on these cases but Darlington 1883 and FC Halifax Town were demoted to the 9th tier of the pyramid; both predecessor clubs were in the conference premier when they went into administration.
The FA ruling MAY be that no newly formed football club can enter the pyramid higher than the 9th their.

ferrarilover wrote: Like much (all) of the TUST proposal, this is beautiful on paper but unworkable in reality. You'd be lucky to run a Toolstation league side on the money we generate presently. Thing is, Toolstation league sides don't generate the money that we do, so we'd have only enough to run a Sunday league side. Thing is, Sunday league sides don't generate the money that Toolstation sides do. And so it goes on forever.
Self-sustainability could only ever be achieved for us if we moved to a new ground which we owned and which had bundled with it many and various alternative income streams. The 1500 or so Torquay supporters cannot fund the business. What we need is to get a hotel, a gym, some restaurants, a dozen 4G pitches hired out, conference facilities etc. What's that, ten million pounds? TUST going to fund that, are they?

A bunch of well intentioned but poorly financed and talent limited fans owning the club under the TUST banner sounds frighteningly like the present setup of well intentioned but poorly financed and talent limited fans owning the club.

If TUST want to help (I'm sure they do), they need to act as a sounding board. They need to give up this preposterous notion of owning the club and dedicate their efforts to representing the fans' concerns and interests throughout the process of the impending sale.
If they were to approach the Board on this basis and offer themselves up on this basis, they'd certainly encounter less resistance than presently they are experiencing.

Matt.

exilegull wrote: You're rather putting words in my mouth there gullpower however as you asked the question...

I wouldn't put money through a community share issue without it being very clear it had the realistic financial plans to sustain Torquay United for at least 2 seasons at conference level for a competitive wage budget and a plan of how to progress beyond that. I'm wouldn't put into anything that only takes ownership and address the GI loan but by the end of this season is out of cash and scraping around to try and prove to the conference it can compete another season.

As far as I'm concerned it would be irresponsible for TUST to pour its members money into a blackhole for the sake of keeping the life support machine on for a few extra months and I don't see that TUST can do much more than that - maybe I'm wrong. Where I think TUST should be ready and where I would support is if the worst does come to pass and the current business does go under, TUST is ready to step is and support the club at a realistic level and turn it into a proper community club and build from there.

Rather than waste a couple of hundred thousand of members money and still likely end up in the Western League with nothing, restart the club in the Western League with a couple of hundred thousand of members money.