Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

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Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by Dazza » 09 Mar 2017, 17:34

It's obviously crude as a survey but these things have a habit of not being too far wrong. So by sheer negligence we are likely to lose a third of our crowd next year. Negligence yes negligence. By players ( there are more lower budgets than relegation spots) management so they are underperforming, KN - his fitness regime statistically produces the reverse in terms of times of conceding goals and still the guru is in the box with him every home game, and club 'management' - look at the deteriorating record since GI took over.

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by desperado » 09 Mar 2017, 14:48

I get your point Merse but it would take me a long time to accept Torquay at that level, it may be easier if you have moved away for a while and watched lower league football alongside following Torquay but it is hard not to see us as a fallen league club as thats what we are. In time I am sure it
would be an enjoyable experience as you say but the thought of Nat South or lower horrifies and depresses me, but....I think it is going to happen
I dont think this Torquay team has the guts, fight and character to get out of this, I hope they read this and are thinking "we'll show you you **shole"
Go on Torquay prove me wrong !
On another issue I see Iffy Allen has signed for Wrexham on a short term deal after leaving Aldershot at Christmas, he did well for us and could have replaced Fitzpatrick or couldnt GI afford his wages for a few months

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by Eirik » 09 Mar 2017, 13:31

I would travel over from Norway as usual.

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by United62 » 09 Mar 2017, 13:22

Another flag not shown in that shot says something along the lines of 'More Flags Than Fans'. Which reminded me of a game a few seasons ago when Witham visited Longmead.... one fan, one flag... and he sang he bloody heart out! If (and I hope it's a very big 'IF") we capitulate and drop down yet another Division, some of the grounds/fans that we are going to meet along the way will be an eye-opener for some (Whitehawk's ground makes Plainmoor look like the Camp Nou!). Let's hope it doesn't happen!

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by merse btpir » 09 Mar 2017, 09:38

Don't give up on your club!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yo ... ORM=VRDGAR

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"friendship through sport"

If the worst happens ~ don't abandon your club!


Watch this fifteen minute feature to get the essence of non league football which I believe is missing at Torquay United where the mood is one of 'fallen Football League club' rather than getting the enjoyment of having a club in the community at all........maybe a lesson can be learned form visiting nearby Buckland Athletic here.

Living where I do in North London and being retired, I can no longer afford to contemplate ~ indeed afford ~ coming down to Torquay as I used to but get my weekly (and more!) football fix by watching the Gulls whenever they are within striking distance; until December working in community football; and with my youngest son watching him play and learn the game and then going off to one of many varied senior nonleague venues we patronise.......,it's great fun and far better than the small mortgage price of admission to the Arsenal and Spurs games nearby.

I have two great little clubs near my home ~ Wingate & Finchley in Ryman Premier and Haringey Borough in the Ryman North....other venues like Dulwich Hamlet, Enfield Town, Potters Bar and Clapton are big favourites of mine too. I get me and Calvin in for six quid at Wingate and for free at Haringey where they offer a free season ticket once you have been to your first game of the season! Four quid for the two of us at Dulwich where the beer and food is simply stupendous! You only spend what you save going in on that food and drink so it's a good deal for them and a good deal for me and with free public transport all over London for me it's a no brainer!

Watch this clip and see if you can spot a young Alex Cowley managing Concord Rangers. Watch this clip and see if you get your appetite back for non league football!


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You can turn up at five to three if you want

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by MellowYellow » 08 Mar 2017, 21:41

I think that is an overestimate Lucy. We may get that number for the first home match as a novelty factor, but if in that first matched we are thumped 0-3 at home by a team like Weston-Super-Mare or Truro then I think well struggle to maintain 400, as the odd game fans wont turn up. Which ever way one looks at it the revenue made by the gates will only add up to a part-time club. And there lays the crux of the matter - which players are going relocate their family and leave their current jobs to play for us on a Saturday for £150 a week. I guess that is why there is talk about moving the training ground and academy to a place like Bristol, where there is a wider choice of part-time footballers and more job opportunities for part time players to work, train two nights a week and take a 2hr train journey or less to play a match in the Southern region on Saturday.

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by kevgull » 08 Mar 2017, 21:26

Nearly 500 votes across the full width of our fan base have noted their intent for next year.

Take note Mr Harrop!

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by lucy6lucy » 08 Mar 2017, 20:50

So far the voting has 30% never to return ( based on a rough estimate of 1500 attendance this current season on average , that's 450 never to return next season). More worrying is that 39% would attend the odd game, so let's presume only 50% of them attend a match, that's another 300 not going. So based on this we can expect(or hypothetical) a gate of around 750 attending home matches in the conference south. Oh shit

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by MellowYellow » 08 Mar 2017, 18:17

:goodpost: Agree totally

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by merse btpir » 07 Mar 2017, 23:04

Well I can vouch that the Ryman Premier League is a universe better than that....most of the top teams have players easily capable of playing full-time in the EFL but not for the limited money it offers when set against what they currently earn in addition to their day jobs.

A lot of these guys working as school teachers, cabbies and professionals in other walks of life just have too much to lose to spunk it all on a few hundred quid a week playing for clubs like Dagenham, Aldershot and Stevenage ~ and don't even get me started on Torquay!

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by MellowYellow » 07 Mar 2017, 22:50

Thanks for that Merse, interesting story. But just looking at the ground and imagining us playing Conference South football next season with ground swells of 500 fans (some as low as 100) has left me feeling really low, bordering on depressed. I suppose one can accept the flaws in players more in the lower leagues (being part-time and training twice a week) but the standard of refereeing also diminishes normally resulting in dire games of hoof ball and 'break ye leg' tackles and watching a players mom wanting to 'handbag' the ref or opposing player. Happy to watch this type of game at the local park while taking the dog for a walk but to hell if I will pay £15 or even a 'fiver' for 90 minutes of dross.

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by merse btpir » 07 Mar 2017, 17:57

United62 wrote: 07 Mar 2017, 15:20 Ditto, but swap Wingate & Finchley for Tonbridge Angels (avg. attendance 421)... that would be so weird watching a team I've been watching since 1990 (and a current ST holder to boot) against the Gulls.... half'n'half scarf anyone?
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two stands under one roof: Wingate & Finchley & Finchley RFC exist back to back

I'll be at Wingate tonight ~ the last midweek game I went to there attracted just 85 people & a stray rugby ball landed on the pitch!

Situated in Summers Lane, N12 the football grandstand was built 1930.  It is a fine example of Art Deco architecture.  Within a year the grandstand became virtually unique as it was converted into a two-sided structure to provide spectator accommodation for the rugby club in the adjoining ground.

Originally the old Finchley Football Club occupied what is now known as the Maurice Rebak Stadium and when they were faced with closure they merged with prominent North London club, Wingate FC who had lost their ground to M1 construction and then moved to London E10 to merge with Leyton FC as Leyton-Wingate but moved again to return to Finchley when the opportunity afforded itself.

Wingate & Finchley are often perceived as a 'Jewish club', due to Finchley's sizeable Jewish community and a number of other factors, including sporting the Star of David on the club's badge, having a number of Jewish individuals on the committee of the club and being able to apply for special dispensation to move their games should they fall on Yom Kippur. One of Wingate & Finchley's predecessor clubs, Wingate, was established in order to aim to combat anti-semitism. The original Wingate club was named after Capt Orde Wingate, who had been involved in training the Haganah, the precursor to the Israeli Defence Forces but was not himself Jewish but a British Army officer who achieved cult status amongst the youth of London's Jewish community in the years immediately after WW2.

'The Rebak' has one of the best playing surfaces of any non league club having a staggering £400,000 invested in it and the surrounding little ground when Wingate moved in including pop-up sprinklers that are the envy of many a fully professional club and the club itself exist on those tiny gates through having the second lowest wage bill in the Ryman Premier (c£1,200pw) yet operate a massive pyramid of teams below the first team including their own development club ~ Hadley Wood & Wingate ~ in the Spartan South Midlands Lge Div 1 and it's own fully floodlit and 3G training ground and pavilion on the site of the playing field immediately behind Barnet's old Underhill Ground........something that leaves Torquay United way behind!

When I was there on Saturday, Walter Figuera's mum was hovering menacingly trying to figure out how to 'handbag' the Canvey Island player who had provoked her son into getting a red card after a fracas. Try as she might; there was no way round all that security fencing; football in the leafy 'burbs isn't as gentlemanly as you might imagine! :lol:

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Exit of the gladiators: even Walter's mum can't get through that lot!

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by United62 » 07 Mar 2017, 15:20

merse btpir wrote: 02 Mar 2017, 23:58 If United go down and my local club Wingate & Finchley go up; then the Gulls will 'be coming to see me' whilst playing a club currently averaging 141 at their home games!
Ditto, but swap Wingate & Finchley for Tonbridge Angels (avg. attendance 421)... that would be so weird watching a team I've been watching since 1990 (and a current ST holder to boot) against the Gulls.... half'n'half scarf anyone?

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by SuperNickyWroe » 07 Mar 2017, 10:43

wivelgull wrote: 07 Mar 2017, 10:00 What to do next? Easy: follow Whitby Town!
Don't talk wet.

Would you go and watch Torquay United in the Conference South?

by wivelgull » 07 Mar 2017, 10:00

What to do next? Easy: follow Whitby Town!

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