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Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Gulliball » 28 Mar 2011, 17:25

Maybe it was a clerical error :whistle:

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Jerry » 28 Mar 2011, 17:05

NickGull wrote: Hopefully it's just a blip as he and Murray linked up fairly well on occasions on Tuesday, I thought. Agree about Murray - had we had had him on Friday I think we'd have won, personally.
Not sure why we didn't have Murray available. If you scroll down to the end of this piece you will see that Shrewsbury asked for James Collins to be released from the same pointless under-21 friendly because they considered their promotion push more important. Maybe we should have asked for something similar for Murray. :-/

http://www.shrewsburytown.com/page/News ... 47,00.html

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Plymouth Gull » 28 Mar 2011, 16:14

ferrarilover wrote:
Nick,
Are we writing him off after one below par match then?

Matt.
Not at all. I've said that he did okay at Cheltenham, but he was our worst player the other night. Never have I said he's shit and shouldn't play, I just hope that he picks his level of performance up from Friday.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by ferrarilover » 28 Mar 2011, 12:24

So, he was so shit, he didn't even play half a season for a team at the bottom, desperately in need of inspiration from anywhere it could find?

Regardless of the stats of appearences and goals (which, really, mean very little) I saw him play in those matches and he was largely ineffective. Once again this season, he is playing for a team struggling down the bottom end of the league (although, a run of 1000 consecutive wins has moved them up) and is failing to stand out from the crowd. I just don't think he is all that good. Anyway, this isn't about Carayol, it's about Tomlin and why whomsoever says he is useless is completely and totally wrong.

Matt.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Fletch » 28 Mar 2011, 10:22

ferrarilover wrote:How many more times.
Carayol hit a patch of form which was good, but it was at a time when he was playing for a move. So he had 5 goal scoring matches out of 14 in a 46 game season... Wow.
I'm not suggesting that he is the devil incarnate, I'm sure he is an average non league winger, but you cannot possibly hope to convince me that he brings sufficiently more to a team than, say, Tim Sills, as to warrant his place in a promotion chasing L2 squad.
Matt.
Check the stats Matt. It was a 20 game league season for Carayol, not 46.
Dont get me wrong, I hardly think he was the model pro. If he paid more attention to turning up for training when he was supposed to, Bucks would probably have played him more.
However, when he did get a run in the team, regardless of if it was trying to advertise himself (come to think of it, isnt that what Jakey Robinson is doing? Putting himself in the window?) he still hit a good run of form and certainly looked good enough for L2.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by ferrarilover » 28 Mar 2011, 09:39

How many more times.

Carayol hit a patch of form which was good, but it was at a time when he was playing for a move. So he had 5 goal scoring matches out of 14 in a 46 game season... Wow.
I'm not suggesting that he is the devil incarnate, I'm sure he is an average non league winger, but you cannot possibly hope to convince me that he brings sufficiently more to a team than, say, Tim Sills, as to warrant his place in a promotion chasing L2 squad.

Nick,
Are we writing him off after one below par match then?

Matt.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Plymouth Gull » 28 Mar 2011, 08:18

ferrarilover wrote:
As for you Nick, come on mate, perhaps he looked f**k ed after a mammoth coach journey peppered with jogging up a motorway embankment. Give the guy to the end of the year and a few away trips which do not involve suicide, coach swaps and arriving 2 minutes before kick off. His goal against Shrewsbury was superb, quick, strong and the sort of finish which makes Messi and Ronaldo superstars. I'll tell you this for free, Benyon wouldn't have scored it. He'd have been knocked off the ball, and had he not, he'd have shot it at the keeper.
The lad is alright, and, given time, he might go on to be a good signing.

Matt.
Perhaps so, Matt. But so did everyone else in our squad - Eunan, Manse, Jakey, Billy (who was probably knackered before we even got there :lol: ). Yet they all played better than he did. Maybe it's because Tomlin isn't used to the length we have to travel regularly, I do not know.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Fletch » 28 Mar 2011, 08:14

Matt, you should temper your criticism of Carayol, unless you want to check the match stats first.
Taking Cheltenham as the starting point, played 14 games, scored 5 goals (as a winger, not a striker) and we averaged 2 points a game in that period.
Thats a good return starting from February when it's hardly prime pitches and sunny weather is it?
Hardly "useless" in anyones book. Even someone who has an orange dagenham dustbin :)

Sure you didnt mean Green?

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by ferrarilover » 28 Mar 2011, 02:07

I didn't say he wouldn't, what I did say is that he was useless for us and continues to be for Lincoln. He had about 4 good matches for us on prime pitches when the sun was out and he was in the shop window. Doubtless, Macklin would be the same. He's another who is all speed and no talent. Don't imagine that I want to dislike these guys, I don't, I try very hard to see the good in players. I like Danny Stevens, I think he changes games when he is used correctly, but I just cannot really find in my mind, with the exception of the aforementioned last few matches of last season, when Muzzy was genuinely any good for us. Raw talent, hmmm, I can't believe that the coaching staff at Lincoln are so bad that they cannot extract that natural talent from him, if it was there, surely any competent coach would find it? Perhaps I'm wrong, truth is, we'll never know for sure, but what we do know is that 3 league goals all season is not the sign of a kid who is likely to set the world alight.

Matt.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by ferrarilover » 27 Mar 2011, 23:37

brucie wrote:No but wasn't very impressed with him against Cheltenham. Judging from the commentary he appeared to be awful though - Murray seems a far better player to me. Don't think Tomlin is what we need up front and he isn't as good as the wide men we have already.
So, once again, you're making a snap judgement about a guy based on one match live and the opinion of someone else who commentates on the radio.

He's not awful, he's alright, not brilliant, but ok. You want awful, have a look at that **** Carryol (or however it's spelt), what a useless wank er he was for us and continues to be for Oxford, or Northampton or whichever bunch of nobodies are unfortunate to have signed him.

Say something useful, or say nothing at all.

As for you Nick, come on mate, perhaps he looked **** ed after a mammoth coach journey peppered with jogging up a motorway embankment. Give the guy to the end of the year and a few away trips which do not involve suicide, coach swaps and arriving 2 minutes before kick off. His goal against Shrewsbury was superb, quick, strong and the sort of finish which makes Messi and Ronaldo superstars. I'll tell you this for free, Benyon wouldn't have scored it. He'd have been knocked off the ball, and had he not, he'd have shot it at the keeper.
The lad is alright, and, given time, he might go on to be a good signing.

Matt.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Plymouth Gull » 27 Mar 2011, 19:59

He was very poor the other night - looked disinterested, lazy. Hopefully it's just a blip as he and Murray linked up fairly well on occasions on Tuesday, I thought. Agree about Murray - had we had had him on Friday I think we'd have won, personally.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by brucie » 27 Mar 2011, 17:24

No but wasn't very impressed with him against Cheltenham. Judging from the commentary he appeared to be awful though - Murray seems a far better player to me. Don't think Tomlin is what we need up front and he isn't as good as the wide men we have already.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by Plymouth Gull » 26 Mar 2011, 18:44

He was last night, brucie. Were you there?

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by brucie » 26 Mar 2011, 18:22

Oh dear - he is awful.

Re: Tomlin Loan Extension

by RussianGull » 25 Mar 2011, 16:36

Glad he's staying on, as others have said, he's worked will Zebs and offers something up front, exciting times these next few weeks.

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