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by Jack » 25 Apr 2018, 16:00

Interesting to reflect on what we were all thinking five months ago and what we might be thinking now!

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by westyorkshiregull » 22 Nov 2017, 09:48

tomogull wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 22:20 To put this in perspective. This is the opinion of someone who probably watches a United game less than 10 times a season and bases his opinions on video footage. It goes without saying that all those who probably watched far more games last season, and voted Luke Young as Player of the Season and Sean McGinty as Young Player of the Season are delusional fools who know nothing about football. ;-)
To be fair it's just someones opinion. How does someones opinion make everyone else fools. I only watch 6 - 8 games a year but I do watch read and listen to a lot to go with that and I would like to think my opinion is valid. If I'm honest myself i have seen 3 games so far this season and actually mcginty I've been quite happy with. But young to be honest I've not even noticed playing.

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by Jack » 22 Nov 2017, 08:25

Having just read the post from Dave on another thread "Offer of Assistance" the penny has dropped. "The Gaffer" is Patrick Tinkler speak for Geoff Harrop not Gary Owers as I had assumed. Doh!

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by tomogull » 21 Nov 2017, 22:20

merse btpir wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 13:08 Young's a poor player vastly overrated by people who cannot see that his influence on a game is nowhere near the level at which his role in the team demands. Watch him start the game on Saturday and ask yourself what's going on in his mind?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?=you ... &FORM=VIRE

The 'playmaker' takes two steps back and hoofs the ball as far as he can so that he finds touch; is he playing rugby? We start just about every game in this fashion and it reveals a lot.

As most games progress he loses his grip on the game; choosing 'Hollywood' attempts at switching play rather than the necessary discipline to retain possession and thus pressure on the opposition. He is not a commanding figure; either in playing style or vocally and that is so badly missing in this squad it hurts.

For Young's profligation with possession read McGinty; a hoof merchant whenever he loses his discipline. McGinty can head and tackle with the best of them, but the opposition can also pretty much rely on him to gift the ball back to them after he has done so; causing the team to be constantly out of position and losing it's shape.

I would replace them asap!
To put this in perspective. This is the opinion of someone who probably watches a United game less than 10 times a season and bases his opinions on video footage. It goes without saying that all those who probably watched far more games last season, and voted Luke Young as Player of the Season and Sean McGinty as Young Player of the Season are delusional fools who know nothing about football. ;-)

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by Southampton Gull » 21 Nov 2017, 19:05

Is that what you took from the post you quoted? Jesus!!

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by Plainmoor78 » 21 Nov 2017, 18:11

Southampton Gull wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 15:12 That's actually a ridiculous thing to say. Any player in possession should be under pressure, nature of the game.
So the key to the game is to let the opposition have possession then?

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by gateman49 » 21 Nov 2017, 18:11

Arrywithnobrain was obviously at that famous match a few decades ago when Pat Kruse got his name into the Guinness Book of Records for all the wrong reasons. We had a period of 100% possession prior to the goal if I recall correctly.

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by desperado » 21 Nov 2017, 17:50

Seems Gary Owers doesn't agree with Merse about Luke Young , quoted today as saying 'Luke Young
week in week out is performing to a very good standard" I think I will side with Owers.
I think he can play better , but if the other 10 put in the effort he does we wouldnt be in the bottom 4

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by gullsdiv2 » 21 Nov 2017, 17:42

Has always frustrated me that we hopelessly punt the ball forward from kick off, only really works if you have a Blissett or Moore who can win the ball against the right back and our players can then react to the flick on, instead we just gift the opposition possession and they start an attack against us

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by arrywithanh » 21 Nov 2017, 16:00

Southampton Gull wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 15:12 That's actually a ridiculous thing to say. Any player in possession should be under pressure, nature of the game.
Agreed, give little time and force the errors, especially at this level

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by Arrywithnobrain » 21 Nov 2017, 15:53

You do spout a load of rubbish a lot of the time. Surely the objective is ultimately to score goals and hopefully score more than the opposition manage - possession merely being a means to an end rather than an end in itself. Unless one is the goalkeeper (and sometimes even then) the pressure of being in possession immediately in front of one's goal, one yard from the line, is arguably greater than the pressure of the opposition being in possession one yard away from their corner flag (you can substitute metres for yards if you prefer) and if you think differently then you have palpably never played the game outside your back garden. Some players don't handle pressure as well as others and some players make mistakes so there may be some tactical merit in testing the opposition in that regard, rather than risking the reverse: after all, you do hope that you will only get one opportunity in the whole match to exercise a kick off routine.
From the bold emphasis of "If you are in possession, the opposition cannot score" there is presumably some new immutable law of which only the Great Merse is aware that prohibits the scoring of own goals or were you thinking of some other game like rugby or hockey or Subbuteo .....

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by tufcyellowarmy » 21 Nov 2017, 15:14

merse btpir wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 11:44 How in God's name is being in possession in your right back position being construed as 'being under pressure'?
I'm not the one to ask am I . Try any new ne of the dozens of managers past and present to get to the bottom of that one .
We could ask lugmeister on this forum as a m sure he would be able to sort that on his it once and for all .

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by Southampton Gull » 21 Nov 2017, 15:12

That's actually a ridiculous thing to say. Any player in possession should be under pressure, nature of the game.

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by merse btpir » 21 Nov 2017, 14:03

The objective is to achieve and retain possession.......

There is nowhere anywhere on the park that being in possession is being under pressure compared to the opposition being in possession; not if you're a competent passer of the ball it isn't!

If you are in possession, the opposition cannot score.

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by Arrywithnobrain » 21 Nov 2017, 13:49

merse btpir wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 11:44 How in God's name is being in possession in your right back position being construed as 'being under pressure'?
It's far more under pressure than the opposition being in possession in their right back position: surely Merse Almighty you can grasp that when you are always slagging off Higgins who plays in the .... right back position.

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