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by **MellowYellow** » 03 May 2018, 13:26

merse btpir wrote: 03 May 2018, 12:51
I would have thought that would not be likely if his contract is a fixed term one, neither is it likely that his current one will be terminated but simply run it's course. Only the actual announcement of his contract not being renewed from the official source could bring that about.

As in my intitial post I wrote of 'non-renewal of contract' and if the case that is the clubs prerogative whether one likes it or not. But that is not the message being circulated across social media, so once again we are back to our clubs non-existent communication policy which if enacted could lay to rest any assumptions on this subject.

merse btpir wrote: 03 May 2018, 12:51 To me, anyone associated with such a prolonged period of failure within the organisation has got to be fearful of their future; we're not trying to cultivate 'nice' over competent or succesful here are we?

Whilst Gareth may be associated with the clubs failure being an employee of - why should he be anymore fearful of his job than the tea-lady. Which now comes down to 'Nice over competent'? interesting point. In terms of competence. players with long term/serious injuries i.e. Durrel/Young etc. have held him in high esteem on their path to recovery. In terms of 'nice' or 'family friendly' I am not sure that TUFC can hold up that banner anymore which, may be a good or a bad thing, dependant on your point of view.

by **merse btpir** » 03 May 2018, 12:51

MellowYellow wrote: 02 May 2018, 10:41 A tribunal could well view the advertising of Gareth's role as not being fair or reasonable, in that the club pre-determined the outcome, i.e. his termination.

I would have thought that would not be likely if his contract is a fixed term one, neither is it likely that his current one will be terminated but simply run it's course.

MellowYellow wrote: 02 May 2018, 10:41 The above aside my last line was '"Something is amiss in all of this.". This being that I find it hard to believe that Gareth's employment was terminated just on the grounds of his 'Continued Personal Development'. Therefore, to calm my hysteria and turn my 'cock-eyed' statement into some form of realism. please do explain to me the exact reason for Gareth's termination (with or without notice)

Only the actual announcement of his contract not being renewed from the official source could bring that about. All we have at the moment is an anecdotal story once again pointing to Owers and Harrop as the bad guys in all this. Maybe the story doing the rounds on here is not the complete story and only the part of it that paints the physio in a light condusive to sympathy and Harrop and Owers in a bad light is being promoted. Who knows?

Now I am neither pro or antil Owers and Harrop in all this; and ambivolent about who our physio is to be honest. To me, anyone associated with such a prolonged period of failure within the organisation has got to be fearful of their future; we're not trying to cultivate 'nice' over competent or succesful here are we?

by **Arrywithnobrain** » 03 May 2018, 12:05

Teigngull wrote: 02 May 2018, 11:40 And where exactly does your CV on managing a successful professional football team then 'Arry ?
I expect it's within the realms of doesn't exist .
I've got no allegiance to Gary Owers or Martin Khul but for God's sake man get behind him , he isn't going anywhere soon & no doubt if by the chance of a minor miracle we do end up being successful next season what are you going to do then ?
Probably disappear into the ether to eat humble pie, so let's all hope we are a success just to see Arrys reaction.

As you would know, and indeed demonstrate at every possible opportunity, you do not have to be an expert either to have or to voice an opinion. That is the point of the forum - a point that bigoted egotists like yourself appear to miss. It would be very good to see Torquay United being successful next season - particularly as the nucleus of the team will be ex-Nicholson players if they agree the contracts which they have apparently been offered.
Was it you that was moaning about making personal insults? Probably not, but without making it seem that you are a total moron could you explain how you think that you will see my reaction if I have disappeared into the ether. Of course I would be delighted if Owers is responsible for making Torquay United a successful professional football team, just as I would be delighted if you were to make a cogent, well reasoned , intelligent post but, whilst the former is hugely more likely than the latter, the chances of either actually occurring are currently buried deep within those renowned "realms of doesn't exist".
I do know that lemmings do not jump off cliffs but I am sure that they would if they had Owers as their leader, so it is obvious that one should get behind him: it is a pity that only Guiseley and Chester felt the same.

by **Teigngull** » 02 May 2018, 20:31

Scott Brehaut wrote: 02 May 2018, 18:29 Get behind him?

What is there to get behind?! He managed to relegate us to our lowest ever league position.
He won 10 matches out of 38 that he was in charge of!!

Why the hell should we get behind somebody who has failed dismally at their job?!

Ok you have all the answers by the sounds of it, what are we supposed to do ?
Gary Owers is going nowhere at least till September after another shocking start, that's what CO does ( I wouldn't count on it though ).
So until then stop the whingeing, were In this league because of poor management in the boardroom as well as the pitch over the last 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 years that's a **** long time to lay the blame on the club's dire predicament on one man.
It'll take a major miracle to turn this sorry state of a club around, & until WE all pull in the same direction it won't happen any time soon.
And I say WE because we have a vital role to play in this, prospective signings will look on these forums ( it's no good saying they won't 'cos, I know factually they do , very regularly ) in fighting, slagging the manager, constant dissing of the owner really does put doubt into players minds.
That's why we should back him, fair enough if you don't want to, but don't for God's sake expect anything different to happen.

by **MellowYellow** » 02 May 2018, 20:01

nickbrod wrote: 02 May 2018, 19:37 Owers is going nowhere so let's wait to see the squad he assembles for the coming season then judge him.

That's what we are told by many on this forum was our big mistake at the start of this season, allowing an incompetent manager to assemble the squad and then judge him. And the difference next season is...? Still full marks for your eternal optimism .

by **tufcyellowarmy** » 02 May 2018, 20:00

Or give him the obligatory 4 games at the start of the season ....

by **nickbrod** » 02 May 2018, 19:37

Owers is going nowhere so let's wait to see the squad he assembles for the coming season then judge him.

by **Burnhamgull** » 02 May 2018, 18:45

Speculation.....
Rumours......
Gossip......
Conspiracy theory.......

Bloody hell its like a woman’s cloakroom in here.

Good luck to Gareth but move on.

by **Scott Brehaut** » 02 May 2018, 18:29

Teigngull wrote: 02 May 2018, 11:40 And where exactly does your CV on managing a successful professional football team then 'Arry ?
I expect it's within the realms of doesn't exist .
I've got no allegiance to Gary Owers or Martin Khul but for God's sake man get behind him , he isn't going anywhere soon & no doubt if by the chance of a minor miracle we do end up being successful next season what are you going to do then ?
Probably disappear into the ether to eat humble pie, so let's all hope we are a success just to see Arrys reaction.

Get behind him?

What is there to get behind?! He managed to relegate us to our lowest ever league position.
He won 10 matches out of 38 that he was in charge of!!

Why the hell should we get behind somebody who has failed dismally at their job?!

by **Teigngull** » 02 May 2018, 11:40

Arrywithnobrain wrote: 02 May 2018, 10:45 The Gary Owers CV has been listed for the Booker Prize for fiction

And where exactly does your CV on managing a successful professional football team then 'Arry ?
I expect it's within the realms of doesn't exist .
I've got no allegiance to Gary Owers or Martin Khul but for God's sake man get behind him , he isn't going anywhere soon & no doubt if by the chance of a minor miracle we do end up being successful next season what are you going to do then ?
Probably disappear into the ether to eat humble pie, so let's all hope we are a success just to see Arrys reaction.

by **Arrywithnobrain** » 02 May 2018, 10:45

gullintwoplaces wrote: 02 May 2018, 09:36 A very short volume I’m afraid. Available in a pack with the Jose Mourinho Book of Humility, the Steve Evans Book of Fair Play and the Osborne Guide to Building Stadia.

The Gary Owers CV has been listed for the Booker Prize for fiction

by **MellowYellow** » 02 May 2018, 10:41

merse btpir wrote: 02 May 2018, 09:07 If you get hysterical and make ludicrous statements ~ instant dismissal doesn't come into it ~ you fail to get your argument accross.....as has been said, this is a football club ~ a failing football club throughout Gareth Law's time in the role and as such he should always be anticpating being replaced ~ and if he really did see his position advertsied then he shouldn't be all that surprised.

'hysterical' - That's a first. As for 'ludicrous' - it's be known to happen. My message was in the main to get across the correlation of the club development programme and the dismissal of a physio for the very same goal i.e. 'development'. For that is what we have been informed on the forum.

I am well versed in contractual notice periods but did not elaborate in fear of 'boring the pants' off everyone, hence my abbreviated version for effect. I am sure you agree that to advertise before making the employee aware of their termination of employment is a high risk strategy. The club risk constructive or unfair dismissal depending on what has been spoken of and what action is taken. A tribunal could well view the advertising of Gareth's role as not being fair or reasonable, in that the club pre-determined the outcome, i.e. his termination.

The above aside my last line was '"Something is amiss in all of this.". This being that I find it hard to believe that Gareth's employment was terminated just on the grounds of his 'Continued Personal Development'. Therefore, to calm my hysteria and turn my 'cock-eyed' statement into some form of realism. please do explain to me the exact reason for Gareth's termination (with or without notice)

by **gullintwoplaces** » 02 May 2018, 09:36

Neal wrote: 02 May 2018, 07:44 in fact can someone list Owers achievements please since he has been here. This actually isn't intended to be a sarcastic post, but I really would like to know, I have probably missed them.

A very short volume I’m afraid. Available in a pack with the Jose Mourinho Book of Humility, the Steve Evans Book of Fair Play and the Osborne Guide to Building Stadia.

by **merse btpir** » 02 May 2018, 09:07

MellowYellow wrote: 02 May 2018, 07:41When has a physios' 'Continuing Professional Development' to improve his capability and competency as a progression from basic know-how to more advanced understanding of his role become paramount to gross misconduct and grounds for instant dismissal or non-renewal of contract.

If you get hysterical and make ludicrous statements ~ instant dismissal doesn't come into it ~ you fail to get your argument accross.....as has been said, this is a football club ~ a failing football club throughout Gareth Law's time in the role and as such he should always be anticpating being replaced ~ and if he really did see his position advertsied then he shouldn't be all that surprised.

One would have thought the manager's job should have been advertised by the club before the last unsatisfactory one to their owner's/senior management's liking before they dismissed him; but it wasn't and so we had the six week hiatus between deciding he was going to be got shot of and finally replaced.

There are two types of notice period: statutory and contractual.

Statutory notice is the minimum legal notice that can be given. Employers should give the employee:
one week's notice if the employee has been employed by the employer continuously for one month or more, but for less than two years
two weeks' notice if the employee has been employed by the employer continuously for two years, and one additional week's notice for each further complete year of continuous employment, up to a maximum of 12 weeks. For example if an employee has worked for 5 years then they are entitled to 5 weeks' notice.

Contractual notice is the amount of notice that the employer can set out in the terms and conditions of employment which can be longer than the statutory notice. For example the statutory notice an employee must give to an employer is one week, however, an employer can state within the terms of employment that an employee must give one month's notice.

Fixed term contracts
Generally, no notice of the expiry of a fixed-term contract will need to be given, however, if the contract is terminated by giving notice before its expiry date then the correct amount of statutory notice should be given. Failure by the employer to give the correct notice period may amount to a breach of contract and employees may make a claim to an employment tribunal.

source: http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4096

by **Teigngull** » 02 May 2018, 08:40

Southampton Gull wrote: 02 May 2018, 04:51 Conveniently forgetting that it was Harrop who signed and agreed contract details. Merse and Little Merse Wannabe can't resist slinging mud in their haste to defend Owers, as if anything he's done during his reign is defensible.

Every manager will want to bring in his own team, get your head around it & accept it, it happens week in week out in football.
'Laws' are there for people to break, they always have & always will, I don't like it & by the sounds of it Dave, nor do you, but we ain't going to change it any time soon.
I will judge Gary Owers fair & square, when he's had a close season to assemble his own squad & backroom team & started to compete competitively, not when you say I should, or if it hurts your feelings on little lord fauntleroys (

)obvious shortcomings.
We've been over this Nicholson itch time & time again & yes it's getting boring.
And as for being called little ! If only you new Dave if only you knew, ha ha ha.

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