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by Yorkieandy » 08 Feb 2018, 13:24

westyorkshiregull wrote: 08 Feb 2018, 05:43 Well something is getting through.
Woke up my Radio Devon fix this morning as per usual with the presenter Laura . On the news reel is about torquay fans getting annoyed as the chairman Clark osborne has had club for 13 months without a meeting fans or a broadcastable interview. As they say " just some press releases about a new stadium "
Social anxiety can be a crippler. :)

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by westyorkshiregull » 08 Feb 2018, 08:14

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by westyorkshiregull » 08 Feb 2018, 05:43

Well something is getting through.
Woke up my Radio Devon fix this morning as per usual with the presenter Laura . On the news reel is about torquay fans getting annoyed as the chairman Clark osborne has had club for 13 months without a meeting fans or a broadcastable interview. As they say " just some press releases about a new stadium "

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by MellowYellow » 26 Jan 2018, 01:30

For anyone needing some bedtime reading then below is the link to the Council’s Corporate Asset Management Plan
It will send you to sleep that's for sure. Pick what you will out of it, for example:

To release value and minimise cost:

Due to the financial challenges facing the Authority and the possible future reductions in Revenue Support Grants (RSG), unless there is specific approval at Full Council to the contrary, the Council will:

Not restrict or reduce the current or future value of its assets through the use of contractual restrictions, covenants, peppercorn rents


http://www.torbay.gov.uk/media/9871/cor ... t-plan.pdf

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by MellowYellow » 26 Jan 2018, 01:03

Soupdragon wrote: 25 Jan 2018, 18:02 ... and talking of 'nimbys', the Shiphay & The Willows residents have already said that they don't want TUFC at Nightingale Park (consultation carried out by the ward community partnership, published June 2016). We all know, though, what weight is given to residents' views where money is concerned ...
I think Shiphay & The Willows residents objection comes in the form of Torquay Neighbourhood Plan Local Green Space Designation. One of the objections was the possible future development of all or part of Nightingale Park as a park & ride site, employment land and Leisure. (so we can now understand CO interpretation of a 'acres of land for car parking' - not stadium parking - but a park and ride scheme.)

It appears, it is not appropriate for the council to identify Nightingale Park as Local Green Space as Central Government through its One Public Estate programme continues to direct local authorities to generate efficiencies, through capital receipts and reduced running costs from land holdings.

In addition, the Local Government Association has specifically identified the use and income from Council assets to support core services. For this reason and also taking into account the Council’s Corporate Asset Management Plan, a key policy framework document which states the Council should not restrict or reduce the current or future value of its assets through the use of covenants ( does this mean Plainmoor covenants are not safe?) and other restrictions the Council continues to strongly object to the proposed Nightingale Park as a Local Green Space designation as set out in Torquay’s Neighbourhood Plan.

It appears there are a number of specific proposals for Nightingale Park and any such Green Space designation would prevent the Council in bringing forward these proposals. (so what are these proposal and do they have anything to do with GI?)

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by greb46 » 25 Jan 2018, 19:43

Maybe naivety but assuming the worst scenario and the council granted the free hold to CO of Plainmoor to do whatever ,then could they not add a clause whereby he couldn't construct anything there until he had built a new football stadium first for TUFC..

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by chunkygull » 25 Jan 2018, 19:07

Typical Torbay, full of nimbys. Should be renamed nimbyville.

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by Soupdragon » 25 Jan 2018, 18:02

... and talking of 'nimbys', the Shiphay & The Willows residents have already said that they don't want TUFC at Nightingale Park (consultation carried out by the ward community partnership, published June 2016). We all know, though, what weight is given to residents' views where money is concerned ...

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by Jeff » 25 Jan 2018, 14:55

MellowYellow wrote: 25 Jan 2018, 02:07 Any planning put forward to the council for a new stadium, I expect, would be very similar to Scarborough Athletic Football Clubs £15 million, 2,000 seat stadium & leisure development. The clients there are Scarborough Council although some of the funding was raised with a bit of land swapping with the council and the developers. For Scarborough it is great as it means that after ten years, the town can get its club back again! However, given that Scarbroughs 2,000 seat stadium tallied up to £15 million and Forest Green Rover have unveiled plans for 5,000 seat sports stadium at a cost of £100m just how much will a 6,000 stadium at Nightingale Park cost with a train station, acres of car parking space for a lower support base and leisure facilities for the whole of the Torbay Community . It beggers belief to think CO is actually going to fund any proposal put forward to the council. From my perspective I can now see why Osborne is seen as a wrecking ball with a history of razing stadiums on the promise of building replacements that never materialise.

Scarborough Athletic Ground (Grandstand)

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Minor pedantry alert, but the proposed railway station isn’t technically part of any proposed development at Nightingale Park. it’s a project that (to some levels) stands on its own two feet, but the business case for both developments improves if the other comes to fruition.

The railway station fell short of winning a chunk of Network Rails new station fund - probably not helped as its business case being compromised by the NIMBY-ism of the local residents refusing the plans for car parking on what is effectively currently a grass verge on the old Newton Road. A slightly short-sighted blockade, as surely house prices in that area would have been boosted by having that direct transport link to Exeter etc.

So as it stands the station is on the back-burner as the funding isn’t in place for it. Whether CO as a private investor would stump up the shortfall to improve his own development projects is another matter

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by westyorkshiregull » 25 Jan 2018, 14:15

It's a point someone made about the stadium . Plainmoor has that working man feel around the stadia. Stadia such doncaster which I been too does not , situated around retail units it's feel non organic and has no personality what so ever.

I would hate this

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by Teigngull » 25 Jan 2018, 12:27

Yorkieandy wrote: 25 Jan 2018, 10:55 Great picture Merse! :lol:

I started to laugh then realized i'm probably actually heftier around the midriff than the man in the photo. :-/
The man n the photo ? It's probably Merse ! :na:

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by Yorkieandy » 25 Jan 2018, 10:55

Great picture Merse! :lol:

I started to laugh then realized i'm probably actually heftier around the midriff than the man in the photo. :-/

Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by Yorkieandy » 25 Jan 2018, 10:52

MellowYellow wrote: 25 Jan 2018, 02:07 Any planning put forward to the council for a new stadium, I expect, would be very similar to Scarborough Athletic Football Clubs £15 million, 2,000 seat stadium & leisure development. The clients there are Scarborough Council although some of the funding was raised with a bit of land swapping with the council and the developers. For Scarborough it is great as it means that after ten years, the town can get its club back again! However, given that Scarbroughs 2,000 seat stadium tallied up to £15 million and Forest Green Rover have unveiled plans for 5,000 seat sports stadium at a cost of £100m just how much will a 6,000 stadium at Nightingale Park cost with a train station, acres of car parking space for a lower support base and leisure facilities for the whole of the Torbay Community . It beggers belief to think CO is actually going to fund any proposal put forward to the council. From my perspective I can now see why Osborne is seen as a wrecking ball with a history of razing stadiums on the promise of building replacements that never materialise.

Scarborough Athletic Ground (Grandstand)

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Ah the good old Flamingo Land Stadium, Scarborough. Been in the shed end there a few times now and in fact they are the club i most go and watch. I'm just so impressed by everything they have done there and can't help thinking that if Torquay could emulate them then TUFC would have a positive future.

Tuesday night there was nearly 1,100 there for a night county cup game against Pickering Town! Compare that to Torquay's last home league game in the NL. Scarborough are 4 divisions below Torquay and it is a lot smaller town and when you factor in the likes of nearby Middlesbrough, Hull and a bit further afield Leeds then the progression they are making and the crowds they are getting is remarkable.

It does feel like Scarborough is alive and vibrant whilst Torquay is dying and exhausted. It's the way forward folks! ;-)

Also Chesterfield. There is no adjacent infrastructure. There is a huge TESCO that dwarfs it, an ALDI and across the road is a little gym thingy. That's it. There is nothing else but shops and fast food outlets. It's just a soulless bowl of a stadium shoehorned into a space between things. There is no surrounding infrastructure. I can say this as i live 2 miles away.

Also the ground was part paid for by a council loan which i'm not even sure has been paid back yet. I'm certainly paying out of my council tax an i **** hate the club! :@

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by merse btpir » 25 Jan 2018, 09:12

MellowYellow wrote: 25 Jan 2018, 02:07 I can now see why Osborne is seen as a wrecking ball with a history of razing stadiums on the promise of building replacements that never materialise.
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Torquay United Association Football Club - Sole Director Clarke Osborne

by westyorkshiregull » 25 Jan 2018, 07:48

So is it one of 2 possible

So would osborne either need to
a. Sell plainmoor first to raise money to build a new stadia ? Would be the either ground share or stay at plainmoor while the people who buy the land fund the new stadia

Or b. I assume he can't build this new complex without the guarantee of plainmoor cash ( I know this won't happen but what the options )

Or c. A contractors builds the complex in return in for plainmoor.

Would CO ( OR ANY BUSINESS CONNECTTED TO HIM ) ACTUALLY OWN THE WHOLE NEW COMPLEX ??

BLOODY HELL 150000 GETS YOU A LOT THESE DAYS

I CAN SEE WHY THE PROMISE OF LEAGUE FOOTBALL ECT ECT ECT .....COR ANYONE CAN SEE WHAT A GOLDEN CHANCE HE HAS AND WOULD DO ANYTHING TO GET HIS HANDS ON IT


He is a businessman and bloody good one. But unlike Mike bateson who actually lived and breathed the club , osbornes just occasionly does statements and rides the torquay united propergander machine. I do understand also some money has been put into the running of the club

Has he even got the under carriage to even turn up for a game ? Why not do a forum with him on the microphone. I'm sure we could all be mature and civil and ask the questions and speak to him !!! It's not personal for me , he is a businessman and that's he occupation. He is not a fan/owner

We could chip in for a small amplifier and a microphone like that last forum

Will he care for the club so much once it's done ? Maybe I guess as the club in assuming will paying a handsome sum to play there ?

Will the club be sold on , or given away even once the whole thing happens ( if It happens )

What's worth more plainmoor land or new complex ??

Will any public money be used ??

No doubt I love plainmoor and its impressive and the security of council lease.
I'm for staying at plainmoor 100% . There are so many unanswered questions over this plan. Even if it was considered there are too many doubts. Stadia in car parks , football clubs exiled for 10 years , land that once held sport now just derelict. Broken promises , no public forum or consultation.
Wants us to believe in this reality of that's the future well come and discuss it with the fans.
I'm assuming we are only going to be a part of this complex , talk to me CO about the VISION

Too much conjuncture over all of this. I know what myself and all the others think.

I personally think if CO wants any of us to remotely consider anything he should hold a public meeting / forum or whatever you call it.


That's actually with him and not a representive.

Come on Clarke what is there to hide. I know if if had a vision which benefited and secured the future of the club I would be on every street corner tell everyone i could find about it.
I would be presenting detailed reasons why , facts and figures. Living the dream

Come on then Clarke lets not hide away up there in the Cotswolds or where ever you live

Meeting please Clarke

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