Another reason why I hope we go up..

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Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by HRG » 12 Apr 2011, 13:47

Yellow4life wrote: I don't think many clubs could afford to anyway, especially not us!
I don't think we would either, but not being able to afford it hasn't stopped some clubs, Plymouth being just one example. I think it's tempting for some when seeing Crawley spending their dodgy mystery millions.
However I'd rather let them have their hollow victory if they do walk the division and save my congratulations for the team that come in second who will have really earned their success.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Yellow4life » 12 Apr 2011, 13:40

HRG wrote:
I hope that next season we (if we're still here) and the other League Two clubs don't resort to overspending to compete, it would ruin the lower leagues.
I don't think many clubs could afford to anyway, especially not us!

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by HRG » 12 Apr 2011, 13:21

NickGull wrote:..

so we don't have to witness those planks Evans & Raynor on the touchline again!! Or listen to their nonsense about how Crawley will be "punching above their weight, and fully deserve every good result they get."

Except, they won't. They will probably buy some players from L1 teams for £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£ then piss this league too.
That, sadly and predictably is the plan.
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Part of the reason why I love lower league football is that money isn't the be all and end all, an inexpensive yet well put together squad with a good team spirit can do well down here. I hope that next season we (if we're still here) and the other League Two clubs don't resort to overspending to compete, it would ruin the lower leagues.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Southampton Gull » 11 Apr 2011, 19:24

Jerry wrote:No argument from me Dave, a club should always be looking to progress both on and off the field. It's a difficult juggling act though and, I'd imagine, a fine line between ambition and putting the future of the club at risk.

Yes, I imagine it's a very tricky task indeed.

I went to Bournemouth yesterday to watch Dave's (forevertufc) son play for the centre of excellence and did some thinking afterwards about the very subject of off the field progress. There's no doubt that we have made tremendous strides but one of the things that surprised me was that these kids don't even get to play in our current strip. I was shocked to find out that we rarely employ linesmen for home games. If the Club want to be taken seriously this is exactly the kind of thing that needs to change. Bournemouth had a full compliment of officials and if I was intent on producing players for a professional club I would make damned sure that our COE players were turned out in proper kit and with officials to run the game correctly. Seriously, how much strain would that put on club finances compared to the affect it would have in showing TUFC as a credible club within the area when families watch their son play for or against us? The burden can't be totally down to the parents if we as a club are choosing their gifted son to play for our COE teams. Surely a deal can be reached with Vandanel to supply our own teams with a full kit at a decent price so as to make it viable.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are areas within the structure of the club that make us look amateurish and I feel we should be doing everything we possibly can to look and act more professionally. Promoting the club in the best possible light is extremely important if we want to tempt fans into parting with their cash and making the effort to come to Plainmoor, it starts right at the bottom and should lead to the very top of the club.

Out of interest, we lost the game 5-3 in what was a very enjoyable encounter, going 5 nil down before launching a good comeback in the third and fourth periods of 20 minute sessions. Billy made a couple of errors but had no chance with the other three and did everything else very well showing a lot of potential in the process.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Trojan 67 » 11 Apr 2011, 19:11

ferrarilover wrote:What are you angry about now?

Matt.
The last couple of posts regarding our ambition. :@

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Scott Brehaut » 11 Apr 2011, 19:04

The trouble is Dave, that many "locals" don't see it the same way you do. They will turn up for a few games when/if we start putting on a decent run in the league above, and then disappear as soon as we lose a game.
That said, there can't be that much difference between this league and the one above (at least not the middle of the league down), I think there is little difference between us and the Greasers in terms of players, and they seem to be doing rather well in that league.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Jerry » 11 Apr 2011, 19:02

No argument from me Dave, a club should always be looking to progress both on and off the field. It's a difficult juggling act though and, I'd imagine, a fine line between ambition and putting the future of the club at risk.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Southampton Gull » 11 Apr 2011, 18:58

I agree with you Jerry, however, what is the point in adopting the ethics of Mike Bateson and just going through the motions of keeping a side in a certain division? Following a football club should allow a degree of expectation and the promise of better things, take that away and you risk destroying the club anyway as we all know could have happened to us recently. Going up "could" show the public that there is something worth investing time and money in. I would rather we went up and struggled with the same squad than invest money we dont have trying to stay there, at least it would give us a season in the sun. We need to show that the product is worth buying before the public start to come and see us. What is the point of someone in a similar position to myself investing time and money following a club who just want to sit still? I might as well follow Eastleigh and catch up with the odd game at Torquay when I'm in the region. For my money I want at least some hope that we're trying to be successful.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Jerry » 11 Apr 2011, 18:37

Trojan 67 wrote: That final bit should be of concern to all who pay to watch TUFC.

I've been here before (1967/68 season) when it was said then that we "couldn't afford to go up".

After that season gates dropped steadily as the myth/fact did its damage.
To be honest, seeing as we have made large losses for the last couple of seasons, I'm happy if the board are reluctant to "splash the cash". We only need to look down the road to see where "chasing the dream" can get you! I would imagine that every manager in the country (except Arsene Wenger) feels that his board isn't giving him enough to spend, but then it's always easier spending someone else's money!

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Trojan 67 » 11 Apr 2011, 18:29

Southampton Gull wrote: You're way off the mark there.

As for the wages of Stanley and Robinson, there's nothing there to suggest anything of the sort, it's just your take on what they could be earning.

I'd also say the ambitions of the Board do NOT match those of anyone wanting promotion.
That final bit should be of concern to all who pay to watch TUFC.

I've been here before (1967/68 season) when it was said then that we "couldn't afford to go up".

After that season gates dropped steadily as the myth/fact did its damage.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Southampton Gull » 11 Apr 2011, 08:44

basil75 wrote:Just found Morecambe is £1.2 million plus £317,000 management wages for this year :O - reaching the playoffs last year suddenly doesn't seem as big an achievement as I thought for them.

So I'd guess around 250k for our management.
Morecambe seem to have a lot of staff as well as a lot of players - someone should perhaps whisper quality not quantity in their ear. [/color]
It also suggests that Stanley's wages that we're paying are a lot higher than we may have thought. Robinson's wages are also pretty high for this level I believe. I guess the fact that we've willingly taken on these wages is a good strong signal from the board regarding ambitions, the playing budget and competitiveness to attract the better players available in this division.
You're way off the mark there.

As for the wages of Stanley and Robinson, there's nothing there to suggest anything of the sort, it's just your take on what they could be earning.

I'd also say the ambitions of the Board do NOT match those of anyone wanting promotion.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by Awayday » 11 Apr 2011, 07:59

I hate Crawley as a town and as a club, but if we don't make promotion then it would be nice to have another southern away game next season.

Although to give them some credit they have won the league with 5 games still to play, and although they still have to play some difficult games they could break the 100 points mark. I would also like to see AFC Wimbledon come up, they are one of the few clubs who deserve league status with their history. Although Crawley may need reminding, they have never been a league club, and the 2 seasons we were down we made the play offs both times and we didn't have a secret donation to the club.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by ferrarilover » 11 Apr 2011, 02:36

How are you getting this info Baz?

Matt.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by basil75 » 10 Apr 2011, 23:58

Just found Morecambe is £1.2 million plus £317,000 management wages for this year :O - reaching the playoffs last year suddenly doesn't seem as big an achievement as I thought for them.

So I'd guess around 250k for our management. Morecambe seem to have a lot of staff as well as a lot of players - someone should perhaps whisper quality not quantity in their ear.

It also suggests that Stanley's wages that we're paying are a lot higher than we may have thought. Robinson's wages are also pretty high for this level I believe. I guess the fact that we've willingly taken on these wages is a good strong signal from the board regarding ambitions, the playing budget and competitiveness to attract the better players available in this division.

Re: Another reason why I hope we go up..

by basil75 » 10 Apr 2011, 23:45

I'd guess our playing budget would be around 850k.

I don't think we've ever skimped on wages (and credit to the board for this) and I think some would be surprised how ours compares with other teams in the division. When we're battling other teams to sign players, we seem to win more than our fair share. While this may be partly to do with Buckle convincing them, we must be offering at least the same, maybe more, than other teams.

I doubt the 600k loss last year was bigger than our entire playing budget - I also doubt our wages for the back room staff are too high, as we are a little thin on the ground in that respect.

£500k is Stockport's current playing budget and I'd imagine Barnet are similar. Accrington and Macclesfield are who I'd imagine would have the lowest - maybe £400k - low gates and constant financial troubles.

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