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by **merse btpir** » 29 Oct 2018, 20:34

I think truth be told; his role had evolved to not only exclude anything to do with the playing side of the game but also to take on the extra admin made necessary through the departure of the Club secretary and he has procured something else in that field that he wishes to work in.

by **culmstockgull** » 29 Oct 2018, 20:12

Harrop is no different to countless millions in this world who assume that the role they were patently designed for but no longer ticks the desire box can change to another role higher up the food chain without any obvious experience of that role and there would be no repercussions, his credibility in football has been damaged, possible fatally , although his abject failure in the general managers role had nothing to do with his former role as a youth coach. Good luck to him what ever he does.

by **OllieGull** » 29 Oct 2018, 20:06

MellowYellow wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 19:23 Whose to say he wasn't. But demoted from General Manager to Youth Coach would be a bitter pill to swallow.

True, but if it was his passion and something he was genuinely good at I don't see why he wouldn't? Pride?

by **brooker** » 29 Oct 2018, 19:41

Apologies Merse! I stand corrected!!

by **MellowYellow** » 29 Oct 2018, 19:23

OllieGull wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 19:07 Anyone 'in the know' know why Harrop was not offered a role in TUFC's youth system? I know Dave Hedges has become head of it now but I'm sure I read his background was in player scouting/recruitment.

Whose to say he wasn't. But demoted from General Manager to Youth Coach would be a bitter pill to swallow.

by **OllieGull** » 29 Oct 2018, 19:07

Anyone 'in the know' know why Harrop was not offered a role in TUFC's youth system? I know Dave Hedges has become head of it now but I'm sure I read his background was in player scouting/recruitment.

by **merse btpir** » 29 Oct 2018, 18:55

brooker wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 14:18 I'm not questioning anybody elses opinion here, merely stating that the Geoff I knew was a lovely, sensitive and hard working guy who was extremely well regarded in youth football at his previous clubs (Yeovil and Peterborough), and who did several young TUFC players justice by finding them moves to bigger clubs.

Hold on a minute; Geoff Harrop never worked for Peterborough United...

I know his background; he was a player for Colchester United his local professional club and then went to play in Cyprus. He returned to head up youth development for Colchester and whilst there ~ being hugely reliant on talent from north and east London rather than local ~ was instrumental in persuading a particular player to take his football more seriously (along with his brother Kazeng Lua-Lu and cousin Tresor Kandol) and knuckle down to becoming a professional footballer. That player was Lomana Lua-Lua and an old acquaintance of mine called Vic Nichols workd with him on that project. Vic is now a veteran director of football at Haringey Borough and still trawling the local football scene for raw talent like the Lua-Luas. Yannick Bolasie is another member of that Congolese family. Not without success either; and if you tune in to the Haringey Borough v AFC Wimbledon live game in a couple of weeks time you'll see some of the end product of that.

Harrop then went to Northampton Town to head up their youth dept before coming to Torquay United. That is his background and he is very much a youth development man.

Young players trying to make their way in the game need people like Geoff and Vic; and people like them need young players...I guess that will be the field of expertise Geoff Harrop will move on to once again if he wants to remain in professional football.

by **lucy6lucy** » 29 Oct 2018, 18:13

CO is a businessman and doesn't tolerate failure, the fact he has had to bring his own people in to run the club recently,suggests he lost faith in harrop in his role. It's irrelevant or history now who hired Owers, we just have to back Gary and the team for a promotion and get us out of this league

by **gullintwoplaces** » 29 Oct 2018, 18:05

Some helpful comments and information, throwing more light on what has happened. I, amongst others, have blamed Geoff Harrop for some of our pain over recent years, and this blame has clearly been excessive. Gulls fans have been through much crap over the past few years, and have been let down by some who have led the club badly. It isn’t surprising that we have sometimes commented in an OTT way, but it must be hard to be in the receiving end of this. I therefore wish Geoff Harrop well in his future, hope he finds somewhere to use his clear youth development skills.

by **gateman49** » 29 Oct 2018, 17:44

I had a few contacts with Geoff in his time at the club and, speaking as I find, I thought that he was a genuine bloke.

I am also in the camp that wishes him well.

by **Southampton Gull** » 29 Oct 2018, 16:46

SkyBlueGull wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 16:32 I would add my comments.

Last week - after my father in laws funeral - I went to the ground to put a copy of the funeral service on his seat in the Bench so that his fellow supporters could see.

The club was empty but Geoff Harrop went out of his way to let me and my son in law in and took us around the ground. he couldn't have been more helpful and I will be ever grateful for that as he showed great sensitivity and he knew a lot about my father in law - never having met him - so I can only assume he reads the forums. He did however look flustered and stressed.

We criticise him - in some cases justifiably for decisions he made but regarding Clatk Osborne - I think we should take a step back.

The owners of Bristol Rovers, Swindon and Poole speedway have all been duped by CO in the past as well I cant help thinking that CO is a silver tongued con artist who has that extra-ordinary almost hypnotic ability - such that if you were in a room with him for long enough - you would sell your wife and children to him for some pipe dream . We have through Merse and Southampton Gull been made aware of his past but without people like that - and talking to CO about an area of business that we dont understand (and Geoff harrop is a football man not a business man) we could just as easily be duped,

Not saying this is true but at the end of the day there could be some merit in this and GH has certainly not ended up in a better position for bringing CO in - he too has fallen and I am not sure CO will be on GH's Christmas card list.

I'm glad for your sake he did what he could to make you feel valued. That's the very least the club should have done for you and hopefully takes away the bitter memories that Bill Phillips was responsible for.

I've said plenty of things about him, most of them deservedly so but we all have a better side I'd hope. Time for me to draw a line I guess and wish him the best for his future away from TUFC!!

by **SkyBlueGull** » 29 Oct 2018, 16:32

I would add my comments.

Last week - after my father in laws funeral - I went to the ground to put a copy of the funeral service on his seat in the Bench so that his fellow supporters could see.

The club was empty but Geoff Harrop went out of his way to let me and my son in law in and took us around the ground. he couldn't have been more helpful and I will be ever grateful for that as he showed great sensitivity and he knew a lot about my father in law - never having met him - so I can only assume he reads the forums. He did however look flustered and stressed.

We criticise him - in some cases justifiably for decisions he made but regarding Clatk Osborne - I think we should take a step back.

The owners of Bristol Rovers, Swindon and Poole speedway have all been duped by CO in the past as well I cant help thinking that CO is a silver tongued con artist who has that extra-ordinary almost hypnotic ability - such that if you were in a room with him for long enough - you would sell your wife and children to him for some pipe dream . We have through Merse and Southampton Gull been made aware of his past but without people like that - and talking to CO about an area of business that we dont understand (and Geoff harrop is a football man not a business man) we could just as easily be duped,

Not saying this is true but at the end of the day there could be some merit in this and GH has certainly not ended up in a better position for bringing CO in - he too has fallen and I am not sure CO will be on GH's Christmas card list.

by **View1** » 29 Oct 2018, 16:29

brooker wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 14:18
Gary Owers was not Harrop's choice. Instead as has previously been reported on here and BTPIR, Harrop's man was actually Ronnie Moore, who came down to watch a game at Plainmoor before Osborn went over his head and went with Owers instead.

I spoke to Geoff on the phone the night before the appointment was announced and he confirmed it was his choice and he even said "his neck was on the line" if he got it wrong. I challenged him on why it took so long and he said because of the compensation owned to Bath City and also they had to interview many canditates from different ethos backgrounds to adhere to the FA rules (funny how we sidestepped that procedure to get GJ).

I don't question your sentiment and it's good to hear another perspective on Harrop but if he's now claiming Go wasn't his choice then I believe he is trying to shift the blame.

by **brucie** » 29 Oct 2018, 15:31

I don't think that anyone actually blames him for the appointment of Owers - its more that he introduced Osborne to the club and then seemed to manipulate himself into a nice cosy job, which he seemed to fail miserably at.

by **MellowYellow** » 29 Oct 2018, 15:02

brooker wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 14:18 Last time I spoke to him, he was taking a lot of flak, and was isolated at the helm of our club, with CO hiding in the shadows rather than protecting Geoff and denouncing some of the misinformation that's been floating around.

Your attempt to defend him is admirable.

However, was it not his own stupidity; foolishness for taking the role as Osbornes gopher—intermediary—resulting, in him taking the blame when others fail to deliver. For that he has only himself to blame!

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