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by Rhys1991 » 22 Jan 2019, 17:39

Arrywithnobrain wrote: 22 Jan 2019, 15:47 Closer than your eyes are to your monitor/tablet/phone/brain?

Hesitation by the referee may actually have been consideration or allowing himself time to make a judgement on what he had seen - not things that seem to be part of your experience. The referee may have made an error as the decision was a subjective one and with hindsight he may have changed his mind if afforded the luxury of countless video reviews from numerous angles. However, in this league you don't get scores of Sky cameras and rolling V.A.R. close-ups with views expressed by pundits who have played international football: you just get a jaundiced armchair video 'expert' who seems to think that the sole raison d'etre of match officials is to ensure victory for Torquay Utd.
:goodpost:

People forget refs are human too and don't have a replay luxury at this level. The game was ours to lose I think and the penalty was one of a number of factors.

I'm off to go look at the highlights.

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by Arrywithnobrain » 22 Jan 2019, 15:47

brucie wrote: 22 Jan 2019, 15:19 He didn't "give us" a penalty though did he?

He could hardly do anything else. Andrews has beaten man and is free in the six yard box. Their player sticks a leg out and brings him down. Stonewall penalty. Watch the ref he doesn't hesitate.

Bath Penalty - Brunt doesn't even have the ball, can't possibly get it. The only possible thing he can do is run across Hall and try and get a penalty.

Watch the ref for the second penalty - he hesitates. You can see he isn't sure, so under those circumstances he can't possibly give it. [highlight=yellow]The refs actually two yards from it.
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Big decision - he panicked and got it wrong = Useless prick.
Closer than your eyes are to your monitor/tablet/phone/brain?

Hesitation by the referee may actually have been consideration or allowing himself time to make a judgement on what he had seen - not things that seem to be part of your experience. The referee may have made an error as the decision was a subjective one and with hindsight he may have changed his mind if afforded the luxury of countless video reviews from numerous angles. However, in this league you don't get scores of Sky cameras and rolling V.A.R. close-ups with views expressed by pundits who have played international football: you just get a jaundiced armchair video 'expert' who seems to think that the sole raison d'etre of match officials is to ensure victory for Torquay Utd.

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by brucie » 22 Jan 2019, 15:19

He didn't "give us" a penalty though did he?

He could hardly do anything else. Andrews has beaten man and is free in the six yard box. Their player sticks a leg out and brings him down. Stonewall penalty. Watch the ref he doesn't hesitate.

Bath Penalty - Brunt doesn't even have the ball, can't possibly get it. The only possible thing he can do is run across Hall and try and get a penalty.

Watch the ref for the second penalty - he hesitates. You can see he isn't sure, so under those circumstances he can't possibly give it. The refs actually two yards from it.

Big decision - he panicked and got it wrong = Useless prick.

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by __quiet__gull » 22 Jan 2019, 14:32

brucie wrote: 22 Jan 2019, 13:24 Because you would expect a referee to be able to spot what was tantamount to an obvious dive. How can Hall be blamed? he didn't make a challenge as such.

Brunt didn't have the ball and wasn't anywhere near it. He's running in the direction of the touchline for feck sake when the decision is given. Look at the reaction of Hall afterwards - He doesn't think for a moment that he has committed a foul.

Brunt and the rest of the Bath players can hardly believe it when the penalty is given. Also look at the referee - he isn't certain either as he clearly hesitates. Useless prick.
Ref view = split second with 1000 bath fans screaming AND as we all know he just gave us a Pen and for some reason they love to even it up!

Our view = watching a video time and time again.

Pissed off with the ref = fine, but to call him a prick for that??? I don't get it.... you prob lost money on the game :lol:

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by __quiet__gull » 22 Jan 2019, 14:24

PhilGull wrote: 22 Jan 2019, 11:50 So why blame the ref? If all the energy that went towards berating refs was directed at the cheating players we may actually be able to change things.
Agreed, and my point was that I have seen penalties given for this before, call it 'wrong time, wrong place' but Asa still challenged regardless of Brunt running across him or not. At the end of the day we were not undone by the referee but by a crappy performance and lack of professionalism.

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by Whydoibother » 22 Jan 2019, 13:51

Unfortunately you just can't see woking losing any games , nor us really. The game at there place we may have to win as they should have been thrashed here in second half but they got a point. Billericay was two points thrown away . We should have 4 more points those two one less.

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by brucie » 22 Jan 2019, 13:24

Because you would expect a referee to be able to spot what was tantamount to an obvious dive. How can Hall be blamed? he didn't make a challenge as such.

Brunt didn't have the ball and wasn't anywhere near it. He's running in the direction of the touchline for feck sake when the decision is given. Look at the reaction of Hall afterwards - He doesn't think for a moment that he has committed a foul.

Brunt and the rest of the Bath players can hardly believe it when the penalty is given. Also look at the referee - he isn't certain either as he clearly hesitates. Useless prick.

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by Plainmoor78 » 22 Jan 2019, 12:26

Agree that we don't need to change anything. The record breaking run had to end sometime and I feel people are panicking.
If we don't win the league it is because Gary Johnson started nine games late. If we didn't go up this season it would still be worth staying full time for another season when we should be able to build a lead early in the season. Remember the season was virtually half over by the time we caught up with Woking and co.

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by PhilGull » 22 Jan 2019, 11:50

brucie wrote: 22 Jan 2019, 09:31 Watch the video again - Its never a penalty in a month of Sundays.

Brunts just ran across Hall and fell over, and the ref has fallen for it.
So why blame the ref? If all the energy that went towards berating refs was directed at the cheating players we may actually be able to change things.

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by tauntongull » 22 Jan 2019, 11:41

Asa Hall may very well have been our best player on Saturday and some might argue he has scored goals, but for me, the jury is still out on his 'overall' contribution. He may very well have age and experience on his side, but with this comes a lack of mobility. We appear now well, for the time being, to have creative midfield players. Too many times this season have I seen a defender clear the ball from a header, only for it to drop at the feet of an opposing midfield player. Hall can be clumsy at times and irrespective of whether Saturday's penalty decision was poor, experience should dictate that you should not be making challenges at this point in the game, certainly not in positions such as this. I believe we need a good experienced physical and mobile player in midfield and perhaps the same in defence. As Lucy says, in high-pressure games and when it is time to see a game through and preserve a lead, a calming presence in these areas of the pitch will prevail.

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by nickbrod » 22 Jan 2019, 11:14

Picking up a point from the original posting, why would we not be full-time next season if we don't get promoted when that large batch of players recently signed extended contracts?

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by wivelgull » 22 Jan 2019, 09:49

Talking of bringing in old heads....don't forget the great Reg Wyatt, brought in during the 1965/6 season - and look what happened then!

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by brucie » 22 Jan 2019, 09:31

Watch the video again - Its never a penalty in a month of Sundays.

Brunts just ran across Hall and fell over, and the ref has fallen for it.

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by __quiet__gull » 22 Jan 2019, 09:19

if the 'joke' decision is related to their penalty, then I think you are misjudging the situation. Whilst I am an advocate for Mr Hall, his challenge from behind in the penalty area with the player facing away from goal was needless and very high risk. I have seen many penalties given for this type of challenge.

With respect to game management, agree with Dave, to change everything after one defeat and it certainly wasn't a hammering would be ridiculous... think all the winning has gone to some peoples heads!

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by brucie » 21 Jan 2019, 22:39

I agree - suggesting we need to change after one defeat is ridiculous.

Most times we would have won that game on Saturday. Andrews may have missed the penalty but we were then undone by another joke decision given against us and also missed a sitter at the end.

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