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Although we did lose the Southern League final so this will be our first title win in senior professional football.

You`re quite right Plainmoor78, I did not recall our earlier achievements winning a couple District titles, thanks. Now if you can tell me who the manager(s) was/were I`ll be really impressed.

[quote="Launceston Gull" post_id=239191 time=1554904352 user_id=24276]
PM, delivered our only title (thus far). I can understand that.
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Torquay United's first team have won 3 titles.
1908/09 Torquay and District League
1911/12 Plymouth and District League (As Torquay Town)
1926/27 Southern League Western Section

Cyril knowels for me in my lifetime thus far , though credit also to Stuart Morgan for signing some immense players like lee Sharpe, mcnichol, Dobson , Tom Kelly and some others.
Cyril took the squad and put in a few hardmen, and transformed them from basement laughing stock to promotion challengers and indeed the first Wembley appearance was special. God bless him

Cyril Knowles, for me, the way he turned around perennial underachievers in one season & then followed it up with our first ever Wembley appearance was nothing short of miraculous.
God rest his soul, thank you Cyril for reinstating my belief in our club.
Coyy

I AGREE WITH [i]LANSONGULL[/i]. WEBBER OR O'FARRELL FOR ME ( WITH JUST A TOUCH OF ROSENIOR).

PM, delivered our only title (thus far). I can understand that.

[quote=United62 post_id=239189 time=1554896664 user_id=23835]
Percy Mackrill
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The greatest* football team the Clennon Valley 7-a-side ever saw!

*for a given value of "greatest".

Percy Mackrill

Assigning a pecking order to managers is always going to be subjective eg Shankly or Paisley, take your pick. My own measure is achieve something memorable, maybe against the odds and if possible do it over a sustained period. I`m a fan of GJ he`s class but for me its way too soon to label him as one of Torquays best ever. Frank O`Farrell got us promoted from tier 4 to league 3 in his first season 1965-66. 1966-67 finished 7th,1967-68 finished 4th missing promotion to league 2 (Championship) by 2 points (exl goal diff). He`s THE MAN... or possibly Eric Webber haha. Let the arguments begin

The problem of using points achieved is that in my estimation a point 'won' in a home draw is actually two points dropped. So is not a positive achievement.

That is why I keep it simple and fair to the Manager by always basing the percentage so as to include draws.

Gary Johnson has 4 games to go and will have Managed 33 games with a potential 99 points.

Win 3 and lose one and Gary will still hit 80% which will be a phenomenal achievement by any standard.

Last comment I always use points achieved because that is what matters at the end of the season not how many games you won.

Whatever the formula is/should be .......GJ has delivered a stellar management performance since his appointment !

[quote=portugull post_id=239168 time=1554819366 user_id=131]
Guys I can see were you are coming from and maybe I should have defined that in all my calculations I always include draws simply because all points earned matter at the season end.

Wikipedia states "A win % is the fraction of games a team has won and it is defined as wins plus draws plus losses"

I think we must beg to differ.
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Wikipedia article actually says; [b]It is defined as wins divided by the total number of matches played (i.e. wins plus draws plus losses). A draw counts as a ​1⁄2 win. [/b]. So I think you were maybe counting a draw as a half a win, which, ok I could see, sort of.

but...then...lower down [i]in that same Wikipedia article you quote[/i] it says "[b]However, in soccer, a manager's abilities may be measured by win percentage. In this case, the formula is wins divided by total number of matches; draws are not considered as "half-wins", and the quotient is always in percentage form.[/b]

[quote=portugull post_id=239168 time=1554819366 user_id=131]
Guys I can see were you are coming from and maybe I should have defined that in all my calculations I always include draws simply because all points earned matter at the season end.

Wikipedia states "A win % is the fraction of games a team has won and it is defined as wins plus draws plus losses"

I think we must beg to differ.
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Anybody can post anything on Wikipedia so I'd take that info with a pinch of salt.