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Full time V Part Time

by Rjc70 » 05 Apr 2024, 22:13

portugull wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 18:00 Driving home from Plainmoor on Monday I listened to Dave Thomas on Radio Devon and he was very clear that we must remain Full Time. I respect his opinion.
Started talking up a hybrid model in his Torbay Weekly article yesterday, though.

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by portugull » 02 Apr 2024, 18:00

Driving home from Plainmoor on Monday I listened to Dave Thomas on Radio Devon and he was very clear that we must remain Full Time. I respect his opinion.

As a retired Accountant I am always interested in the numbers and I have said for a long time the Club has been living in the past in a financial sense.

Whoever takes over the Club needs to be hugely multi talented because the issues that need addressing are complex and a lot of crucial decisions need to be made in a rather short period of time.

We have to be realistic. Rome was not built in a day and turning things round at Plainmoor is a massive task both on and off the field.

In my opinion whoever becomes the new owner they are going to need at least 10 volunteers who have experience of certain important areas including Financial Control, Marketing, Recruitment

and someone who has had a Management career at a high level to advise on a root and branch review of every aspect of the business.

We are not an Exeter or a Wrexham and our geographical location is a huge issue in attracting players and the right Manager.

Whoever takes over we the fans have to be patient because a return to the promised land is not going to happen quickly unless a Multi Millionaire suddenly pitches up with money no object! Not going to happen.

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by Brewers boy » 02 Apr 2024, 17:11

TommyGunn wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 12:08
WSM have average attendances of 1200 are part time. Yesterday they had quality former EFL players  Rueben Reid and Robbie Willmott playing.
We get twice their attendance so I see no reason why we couldn't attract the best part time players combined with a number of full time pros.I[/b]
Not only that, but we charge twice their admission fee.

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by Taelee73 » 02 Apr 2024, 17:08

How would we afford an artificial pitch? Cost is what, £150k? Plus, they still need maintaining.

On the subject of staff, we certainly need a youth setup to try to find future first team players to be sold for profit, or help us climb the leagues by staying in a settled team long term. I’m not sure what the 70 odd staff do? There was some random guy warming them up on Monday, and by the looks of it two medical staff.

Still wondering why Hall a midfielder was playing in central defence, when we had a central defender Booth available? I can’t imagine any current playing staff being here next season.

Not disputing it may be true, but where’s the evidence Johnson was on 2k a week? And what of his brother, not heard anything about him leaving.

Hopefully there will be news soon, it’s a long time until the next home game and then that’s it.

Part time attendances, if we start well then they’ll hopefully stay around the 2,200 mark. A poor start with poor performances and you’d think the majority would hopefully still come along so 1,800. Same with the prices, I’m going to assume Full or Part time, they’ll stay the same and I’d hope people could accept that.

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by Brewers boy » 02 Apr 2024, 17:01

davethegull2 wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 04:27 Part time football will be the end of Torquay United. Only an accountant would think this is a good idea. And it's accontants that have put us in this position. Years of neglecting the product and customers have jed to this, driven by myopic bean counters.
Yes, but an accountant wouldn't think it a good idea to pay out more than you're getting in.

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by Nick Potkins » 02 Apr 2024, 16:30

I have a number of times talked of moving training towards Bristol. Location to me remains part of the problem. We need to attract a greater number of players. A 3g / 4g pitch is a must at our level. This could be used 365 days a year and help address our financial shortcomings. A great coffee shop, will again make a decent amount of money from parents watching children play. Full or part time is a tough call, but we need to cut our cloth.

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by wodger of awabia » 02 Apr 2024, 15:56

leetufc wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 13:17 I do not understand the view that crowds would suddenly plummet to a 1000. Even at our lowest this season we have been comfortably above that, and the right setup behind the scenes with better engagement, I can see us maintaing decent crowds. I don't think the majority of fans would suddenly stop supporting the club because they are part time

With bigger crowds than other part time clubs we should be able to compete on wages. Location may be an issue compared to others, but a part time training schedule may mean attracting players from slightly further afield if it means they only have to travel to Torquay 2-3 times per week
“ Location maybe an issue “

IMO the football side of the club needs to be located in and around Birmingham and the West Midlands where a wealth of players are located. The players can be bused down to Plainmoor on match days. Part time players players won’t travel far to Torquay to train, and certainly won’t move down here.

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by numpte » 02 Apr 2024, 15:22

Part time ok -plastic pitch - no way. Awful to watch games on them let alone play on.

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by desperado » 02 Apr 2024, 15:15

The high earners will be gone next season. Hall, Moxey, Dawson, Halstead, Lapslie,
Stobbs, McGavin , Jarvis....
That will save us a packet.

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by culmstockgull » 02 Apr 2024, 15:03

United62 wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 14:39 I have no idea how much they cost, desperado. I was just going on a figure that was doing the rounds when Tonbridge had theirs installed.

Unfortunately, it seems that more and more grassroots football is being played on plastic. It certainly helps with fixtures not being postponed - especially at short notice. But it can also be a useful revenue stream that the club could look into.

But, at the end of the day, this will all come down to what the new prospective owners feel is best for the club.
Problem with the bills as has been mentioned , we do not know who gets what, but I think a core group of pros are on close to a thousand a week if not more including bonuses and travelling costs. We pay twelve months of salary for 9 months work compounded by only 9 months of revenue, the season end in april/may and doesnt start again until august even with some pre season training in july we are still paying our footballers and backroom staff wages all year round, there is no justification in what ever Johnson was on for him to be doing a three day week and having a full time assistant at this level, I hope Pete Johnson has long since gone as we are under a transfer embargo so even if he found the next ronaldo we couldnt sign him. We supposedly have a fitness coach who isnt doing the job for the love of it and anyway when part time teams show up at plainmoor with higher fitness levels you have to question the need for him.
I also think the various insurances, leasehold charges, utility bills, we seem to water even if its been raining half an hour before a match, HMRC, VAT, etc etc take up a goodly amount and they are not something you can reduce by much.

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by Joshtufc » 02 Apr 2024, 14:55

New accounts have been published for the club. Whether or not we end up as a part time outfit or full time still i can't see how having 72 employees of the club (incl playing staff) is sustainable given our current standing. Majority of these of course will be non playing staff who no doubt work full time but for any company operating at such a loss as we have been I think any sane owner/CEO would look at this and question it. Comparing it to a team like Chelmsford who have operated at this level for a long time the total employees number is 28!

We really do need a full reset everywhere, watching the game yesterday and i think most will agree this is probably the worst TUFC side most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

Can view the PDF and more info here: https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

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by United62 » 02 Apr 2024, 14:39

I have no idea how much they cost, desperado. I was just going on a figure that was doing the rounds when Tonbridge had theirs installed.

Unfortunately, it seems that more and more grassroots football is being played on plastic. It certainly helps with fixtures not being postponed - especially at short notice. But it can also be a useful revenue stream that the club could look into.

But, at the end of the day, this will all come down to what the new prospective owners feel is best for the club.

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by desperado » 02 Apr 2024, 14:26

I think it's the cheaper ones that cost 500k !
The better ones nearer a million ?
I wouldn't want one like Tonbridge have got

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by United62 » 02 Apr 2024, 14:18

As it seems that we're more than likely to be stuck in the nether regions of non-league football for a while and possibly going part-time, and I cannot believe I'm actually typing this, but would it not be worth looking down the 3g/4g/artificial route? It's an expensive outlay at first (half a million possibly) but there are grants available and many clubs at our level and much further down the pyramid have the dreaded plastic. Once installed it could be a huge(ish) revenue stream for the club.

Just throwing it into the mix. And, before anyone asks, yes, I'd rather still play on grass and, yes, I know that half a million is a big outlay, and, yes, I'd rather stay full-time. But these are unsure times for our beloved club and to make the future sustainable, whoever takes over will need to look at all revenue stream options available.

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by numpte » 02 Apr 2024, 13:55

This is a crapiest team in the history of TUFC period and we still get average 2400! Thats staggering. People are creatures of habit and if they see effort being put on the pitch they will go every other Saturday . Part time WSM were pretty good to watch for large parts of that game yesterday and weve been outplayed by multiple part time teams all season.

TUFC needs a reset, if its part time, so be it.

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