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Just had a very close look at the disallowed goal. I was also at the game.

When Dreyer struck the shot Cooke was in an offside position, but he was clearly not in the line of the goalkeeper so was not interfering with play. On this basis it shouldn't have been disallowed, unless it took a nick off Cooke in which case it was the correct decision. I cannot tell from the pictures whether it touched Cooke, or not.....it looks close but I cannot be certain either way.

Whichever game Cooke starts his ban, I have a sneaking suspicion we’ll play it on the ground for maybe 4 minutes, then start hoofing it up to the two tiny strikers for the rest of the match. Just a wild guess.

Ref was poor, end of story. There was a passage of play where we were on the edge of their 18 yard box and she was just outside our 18 yard box. She’d gambled the ball would be hoofed back, which to be fair it fairly quickly was, however she was a long way behind the play. The linesman on the Bench side was also terrible, getting it from both management teams, I think he just bottled it with the disallowed goal tbh.

Chelmsford weren’t great, let’s not pretend they were, 2-0 down they pushed 4 players up front and we didn’t cope with it or have the guile to exploit what they were doing.

Oscar was a league 1 player? The play in this league is too fast for him then, he doesn’t seem to have the experience that Moxey has of knowing where to be to save having to be running around constantly. Unfortunately at the moment he’s a weak link.

People saying we’re not good enough, this is the first season they’ve all played together, some players will work and some won’t. This season should be seen as one of building, people expecting instant promotion are clueless, as great as it would be. Wotton has seemingly started the improvement to this quickly assembled squad with Young, who on that one game looks excellent.

It will certainly be interesting to see us play without Cooke - the problem with having a big target man is overplaying in the air, as we have done all season, which has enabled opponents to play football on the ground and walk through us (as shown again yesterday).
Why are we not learning from fruitless hoofball - it would be interesting to see the stats for i. how often Cooke wins an aerial battle and ii. (more importantly) how often we gain possession from his headers; the result must be that in the vast majority of cases we lose possession....so why persist with a tactic which has a low percentage outcome?
Another big weakness is at throws-in; at least with Mussa in midfield and with the very impressive Young wanting the ball, the thrower should normally be able to throw it to feet, but oh so often we take an age to throw the ball, allow the opposition to mark up, and then either lob it hopefully in the air or go backwards, and backwards, and back to the keeper who then hoofs it upfield so that we can mostly lose possession.
It really isn't rocket science, so COYY please play with more purpose, with more control, and play forwards on the deck. And try not to sit so deeply that we just panic at the back and hack the ball anywhere in trying to protect a slender lead.

The case in point on gender - look at the lines men - both terrible

One who disallowed the goal is incompetent bowed to pressure from the players without raising the flag

One of the pop was useless, missed clear fouls and then talked the ref into booking Carson near the end for nothing

Cooke did pick up his 5th booking, believe he can play Tuesday but not Saturday

Bit harsh on Hamon having seen the highlights. Would have been a few arms, bodies and legs in the way and what about tracking the runner in the first place who has the shot? Thought he could have done better with the Worthing and Hornchurch non save attempts.

Had absolutely nothing to do with her being a female ref. She just was not up to standard and had no control of the game. She tried to get control of the game by giving yellows but ended up giving out bookings for the wrong fouls. If the referee is that noticeable they've ruined the game.

Well having seen the highlights we were very unlucky not to take 3 points.

The ref was up with play and immediately blew her whistle, pointed to the centre circle and gave the third goal without hesitation.

Our player was not impeding their keeper in any way so why the change of mind? The lino did not wave his flag but she asked him one quick question got the answer and immediately changed her decision.

Don't want to add fuel to the Women referees debate...but I think I read somewhere that we have a woman again on Tuesday night at Salisbury.

To coin a phrase... Not Another One !!!

Some points from my perspective:
- ref didn't have a great game, but wasn't well supported by linesmen. Young blatantly pushed over their defender in front of lino- no sanction.
- our goalie (again) spilled a ball from his grasp for their 2nd goal
- the ref that didn't award the away team a goal from a 2m onside in last home game. Were they better or worse?
- our finishing could have been more clinical and we wouldn't be discussing this.

She is a terrible referee - thats why she hasnt been given a game in this league since the opening couple of weeks when she let truro and dorking take the field in the same colour shirts and then followed that up by causing pandemonium in the Bath v welling game when she was applauded off by the home supporters (she works for the home club main sponsors)

Obviously she has been put out to grass since then but some idiot decided to put her in charge of a game with an attendance of 3500 odd - clearly that was going to be a recipe for disaster and she ended up disallowing a goal when a player was in an offside. position on the ground.

She isnt up to it so its obviously not a hang up.

Totally disagree that we are a bunch of female hating rednecks, like justice i can be blind to the sex of the ref, its the quality that matters, I wish her luck but she will need to manage games far better to advance up the ranks without using her sex to tick boxes on equality at the FA,
To say she got many of her decisions right yesterday is the same as saying our defence played ok for some of the match, it is not acceptable, tolerable maybe in sunday football but not for pro games.

Was a frustrating day in the end, our opening 25 minutes were as PW said, some of best attacking football we've seen so far, but racing into a 2 goal early lead is often so dangerous we see it time and time again, teams at all levels seem to mentally switch off and that's what seem to happen, as the team allowed Chelmsford to take control of the game.

However we've got to start giving the right amount of due respect, Chelmsford were well organised, physically strong and played a some good football, they are a good side.

However in the end, we've created the chances, and could have won the game. We've got to drop this hang up on woman being involved in the men's game, it's just not called for, I thought she was weak, but that doesn't mean all women should be banned from refereeing men's football, there's plenty of top class women referees in the men's game around the globe.

Our thinking as fans is bias towards women refs, and it was yesterday before the game even started, whilst I thought her overall performance was substandard, she got a lot decisions right also.

brucie wrote: 02 Nov 2024, 23:14 2 wins in 8 is suggesting that we are not very good.

Unfortunately we are way off a promotion winning team.

To be fair this sits under 'damn lies and statistics' You could also say TUFC have won 2 of their last 5 this would be also a true statement that doesn't sound so bad, depending on individual agenda, if someone wants to remove the cup game and count league games only, then you could say we'd won 3 of the last 8, this would also be a true statement.

Another would say well we've only lost 1 of the last 5, someone else could say but we've lost 3 of the last 8, all would be true. Current form is and always has been taken on a teams last 6 games, thought you as betting man would know this

All I can say is it's going to be bloody hard getting out of this league. Worthing, Dorking,
and Chelmsford have all been very good teams.
I thought Chelmsford were reeling at 2-0 , I know teams will fight back but I don't think we did enough to press home our advantage and stifle their attacks. Once they got going they were decent . Pet phrase of mine I know but 'stop the cross ' !! too many coming in from dangerous positions. Jake Hyde - well you knew he was going to punish us , always does.
Think we need a strong assertive player in midfield, Threlkeld has been disappointing for me- for a League One player who is still only 30
Seems a bit off the pace.
The referee was way out of her depth , it's ridiculous having more women referees for the sake of it - they've got to be good enough !

On reflection it is another 2 points thrown away which could prove costly in the end.
Bright spark was Young who achieved more in 13 minutes than Ash and Seymour all season. He wants the ball which is refreshing.
We need a leader to compliment him in centre midfield, a winner who can tackle and will not get outbattled.
Sure this will be on the shopping list as a Must have.
I appreciate it’s still early days still.
Young signing has raised the bar a real footballer.
Oh and yes keeper is Bang Average needs some serious competition and not on the golf course !