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Re: According to one of the board...

by hector » 10 Jun 2011, 22:11

Enzo wrote: I agree. O'Kane is he kind of player that you could build a team around. His performance at OT was the one bright point of a crap day. He will be the reason that people pay to watch us play

To suggest that selling Billy, O'Kane and Zebs will see us go down is wrong in my opinion. It is what how we replace them that matters. Zebs is a decent League Two player, but at the moment Billy is conference standard with Sunday morning fitness levels. They are replaceable if the correct man and a workable budget is provided.
Agree to an extent but O'Kane is something special for this level.

Re: According to one of the board...

by Enzo » 10 Jun 2011, 21:36

hector wrote:I can imagine the board would accept £50,000 or less for Zebroski, although you suspect that if it was someone like Barry Fry selling Zebroski Bristol would have to pay £250,000. You just do not get the feeling that our board are good negotiators or know the value of a player.

With regard to Eunan O'Kane...he is the future of our club and I would be fuming if the board sold him cheaply. He is the future for two reasons:
1) On the field...the team should be built around him
2) His value - if the board do not fold and he continues to develop then the sort of fee that maybe he could go for could wipe out a big chunk of the debt and safeguard our future. O'Kane must not be sold cheaply.
I agree. O'Kane is he kind of player that you could build a team around. His performance at OT was the one bright point of a crap day. He will be the reason that people pay to watch us play

To suggest that selling Billy, O'Kane and Zebs will see us go down is wrong in my opinion. It is what how we replace them that matters. Zebs is a decent League Two player, but at the moment Billy is conference standard with Sunday morning fitness levels. They are replaceable if the correct man and a workable budget is provided.

Re: According to one of the board...

by rodneyjackjackjack » 10 Jun 2011, 21:28

We should hold out....if Buckle likes him that much he will pay the money for him. Hes already got Stanley and Bevan on a free!

Re: According to one of the board...

by hector » 10 Jun 2011, 21:26

I can imagine the board would accept £50,000 or less for Zebroski, although you suspect that if it was someone like Barry Fry selling Zebroski Bristol would have to pay £250,000. You just do not get the feeling that our board are good negotiators or know the value of a player.

With regard to Eunan O'Kane...he is the future of our club and I would be fuming if the board sold him cheaply. He is the future for two reasons:
1) On the field...the team should be built around him
2) His value - if the board do not fold and he continues to develop then the sort of fee that maybe he could go for could wipe out a big chunk of the debt and safeguard our future. O'Kane must not be sold cheaply.

Re: According to one of the board...

by Southampton Gull » 10 Jun 2011, 21:26

Fonda wrote:If you get Zebs for £50k, we've been robbed again. He's worth closer to the £150k quoted. But with him having only a year on his contract, and potentially having his head turned by the prospect of a move, we should realistically be looking for £100k.

On the money for me ;-)

Re: According to one of the board...

by Enzo » 10 Jun 2011, 21:23

BritishGAS wrote: I may be way off the mark here, and if I am, quite rightly tell me so.

But I honestly dont see anybody paying 150k for Zebroski, that may obviously be to your adavantage, but I dont see how that fee can be justified.

Rovers signed Rickie Lambert for 200k and he was a proven 20+ goals a season man at this level, and is far superior to Zebroski.

I honestly think something in the region of 50k is value enough.

But you have obviously seen a lot more of Zebroski than me.
You'll get shot down by some on here with that valuation, but I think £75 to £100,000 would be about right. Like I said, I'd like us to dig our heals in and test your board and Bucks. Whatever any of us think, a player is worth whatever a manager is prepared to pay for him. I'd never have thought Andy Carroll was worth £35 million, but he is.......or was.

This player may not even be Zebs - for all I know he is 100% committed to TUFC - as he appears to have been all season. Bucks did seem to like him though.

Re: According to one of the board...

by Fonda » 10 Jun 2011, 21:22

If you get Zebs for £50k, we've been robbed again. He's worth closer to the £150k quoted. But with him having only a year on his contract, and potentially having his head turned by the prospect of a move, we should realistically be looking for £100k.

Re: According to one of the board...

by AlexGulls » 10 Jun 2011, 21:17

I'm not sure how you can value someone you havent seen play? Or are you basing it on the fact he plays for "Little old Torquay" so cant be that exspensive? His value of about 150K sounds right to be. He can score goals and hes good at setting them up aswell he's one of our key players so that value of 150K sounds about right to me.

Re: According to one of the board...

by rodneyjackjackjack » 10 Jun 2011, 21:15

The board should stand strong and tell anybody trying to take any of our players that they are not discussing anything until the new manager is in place. Simple.

Re: According to one of the board...

by BritishGAS » 10 Jun 2011, 21:06

Enzo wrote: Kee can't be blamed for being pushed out wide, but he two stone overweight. I read somewhere that we were paying a dietitian. Amazing. David Graham had his attitude problems, but he was in a different class to Kee at the moment - both in the brain and in the feet. Graham would ghost past players and had a terrific shot. Kee has got by with a decent shot on him.

In terms of our budget, it is just something we are going to have to get used to it, by the looks of it. Other Managers have done it with a small budget and we must find a man who can do it again. PB didn't want to be that man and whilst it is great to be so professional, can a club our size really justify employing Colin Lee, Sean North, Kenny Veysey, Junior North and John Milton to support a Manager. I think PB would have left this season whatever happened at Old Trafford - he knew the budget and knew his stock was at its highest. The way it played out Rovers have given us £50,000 - £100,000 for a Manager we could no longer afford.

The figure in my mind for Zebs would be around £150,000
I may be way off the mark here, and if I am, quite rightly tell me so.

But I honestly dont see anybody paying 150k for Zebroski, that may obviously be to your adavantage, but I dont see how that fee can be justified.

Rovers signed Rickie Lambert for 200k and he was a proven 20+ goals a season man at this level, and is far superior to Zebroski.

I honestly think something in the region of 50k is value enough.

But you have obviously seen a lot more of Zebroski than me.

Re: According to one of the board...

by Plymouth Gull » 10 Jun 2011, 20:58

happytorq wrote: That sounds very similar to David Graham, to be honest.
Hmm, a bit to early to draw comparisons between BK and DG, for me. I haven't seen enough of Kee to suggest that, but if he gets anywhere near the level of Graham in the 2003/04 season then that'll be fantastic!!

Re: According to one of the board...

by Enzo » 10 Jun 2011, 20:57

Southampton Gull wrote:Agree with pretty much all of that. Enzo. Not sure that Kee could be blamed too much in terms of his form, he was hopelessly lost out wide, he does need to work on his fitness though.

We have League Two players with just a few that could play at a higher level so none are irreplaceable, my fear is that we'll be replacing them with inferior players on the cheap. It's obvious from those that have left already that almost all of the higher earners have been allowed to leave.
Kee can't be blamed for being pushed out wide, but he two stone overweight. I read somewhere that we were paying a dietitian. Amazing. David Graham had his attitude problems, but he was in a different class to Kee at the moment - both in the brain and in the feet. Graham would ghost past players and had a terrific shot. Kee has got by with a decent shot on him.

In terms of our budget, it is just something we are going to have to get used to it, by the looks of it. Other Managers have done it with a small budget and we must find a man who can do it again. PB didn't want to be that man and whilst it is great to be so professional, can a club our size really justify employing Colin Lee, Sean North, Kenny Veysey, Junior North and John Milton to support a Manager. I think PB would have left this season whatever happened at Old Trafford - he knew the budget and knew his stock was at its highest. The way it played out Rovers have given us £50,000 - £100,000 for a Manager we could no longer afford.

The figure in my mind for Zebs would be around £150,000

Re: According to one of the board...

by ferrarilover » 10 Jun 2011, 20:46

For me Gulli, you're bang on there. The board need to work out the cost of relegation to the Conference, remaining down there for 10 years, then putting together a squad capable of promotion. I estimate £5,000,000. If we receive offers for our better players (Zedders, Eunan, puffin' et al) worth more than this, then feel free to sell, otherwise, keep them.

Matt.

Re: According to one of the board...

by Gulliball » 10 Jun 2011, 20:37

He reminds me of Graham in so many ways. Hopefully we can see him develop here over the next few years, it's easy to forget how young he is.

We need Zebroski here next season too, he's the first name on the teamsheet. Anything under £100k wouldn't be worth risking relegation for.

Re: According to one of the board...

by BritishGAS » 10 Jun 2011, 20:34

regiment wrote:as a slight aside here, just read that Roberto Martinez has turned down villa to remain at Wigan.

he always comes across as a nice guy, decent and honest, and clearly pretty loyal. some certain others could do worse than take a leaf out of his book. well done Roberto.
I was also quite surprised to see Martinez turn down Villa.

But to say he comes across as pretty loyal is a little wide of the mark IMO.

He didn't show much loyalty to Swansea did he? At least Paul Buckle was at Torquay for 4 years and got you promoted and nearly got you promoted again.

Martinez was at Swansea for 18 months, in which he inhereted a side from Kenny Jackett, he jumped as soon as Wigan came in for him.

He is a decent, young manager, but he is no different to Paul Buckle or any other manager.

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