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Re: like for like then

by Fonda » 06 Jul 2011, 16:36

As i've said previously, he has all the attributes to be an excellent defender. And any club furnished with a defensive coach could take him on his potential, iron out the flaws in his game and benefit from him for years to come. Until now though, we haven't had a dedicated defensive coach and it's been evident in Ellis because he still makes the same mistakes he was making 3 years ago - and they are mistakes that would prove costly over the course of the season. Hopefully Tayloir can bring him on because all the building blocks are there.

Re: like for like then

by tufcbrett » 06 Jul 2011, 14:19

Fonda wrote:I should clarify, i was being sarcastic about Ellis to Rovers. My point was, if he was as talented as some make out, he'd be after him. And i get the feeling the reason Ellis was evidently so outspoken is because Buckle didn't rate him highly enough to pick him regularly. That was obviously the cause of some annoyance to Mark.
Last season while i was working with a club in the championship (many know who that was). They did send club scouts out to watch Mr Ellis as he was caught the eye of many clubs. Funnily enough i would get paid to come down to plainmoor to watch Torquay play to keep an eye on Ellis. I even got paid to go to shewsbury away to watch Bradshaw and Ellis.

Mark has the talent and should play more and we will get the best out of him. He spends his time on the bench and starts to play, your asking a lot for him to be on top form straight out.

Im a big fan of Ellis and he needs to play. He has the talent we talk about, whoch shows if championship clubs are watching him.

Re: like for like then

by Regiment » 06 Jul 2011, 13:40

highweekgull wrote:Buckle didn't have a clue about how to get a good defence working - that's why he's taken Branno with him to run that show for him.

If we'd kept Steve Woods with Mark Ellis - Ellis would now have been sold on to a bigger club.

Mark my words, Taylor will coach Ellis into being a much better defender (think he would help Robbo too if he stays) and they'll be knocking on our door again.

Like others have said we still need a good playmaker and a goal scorer...
are you sure ?? i guess one can get confused between bristol and bradford :whistle:

Re: like for like then

by highweekgull » 06 Jul 2011, 13:34

Buckle didn't have a clue about how to get a good defence working - that's why he's taken Branno with him to run that show for him.

If we'd kept Steve Woods with Mark Ellis - Ellis would now have been sold on to a bigger club.

Mark my words, Taylor will coach Ellis into being a much better defender (think he would help Robbo too if he stays) and they'll be knocking on our door again.

Like others have said we still need a good playmaker and a goal scorer...

Re: like for like then

by Fonda » 06 Jul 2011, 12:06

I should clarify, i was being sarcastic about Ellis to Rovers. My point was, if he was as talented as some make out, he'd be after him. And i get the feeling the reason Ellis was evidently so outspoken is because Buckle didn't rate him highly enough to pick him regularly. That was obviously the cause of some annoyance to Mark.

Re: like for like then

by tufcbrett » 06 Jul 2011, 10:34

HRG wrote:I also doubt that Ellis will end up rejoining Buckle for the same reasons as SG. It has been said many times that they did not see eye to eye.
Regarding Mcphee. I do not remember him first time around, but he sounds a completely different player to the one you all speak about in his first stint with the club. So I will treat him as if he is shiny and new.
After a night attempting to sleep on the sofa I'm not feeling positive about much today, but I am not going to write us off as relegation candidates as our resident miserys have, though they can be as miserable as they like, I'm hardly a ray of sunshine today myself. But I don't see us being play-off contenders either. Lower half mid table I see as reasonable for a difficult season with a lot of changes. I'll still hope for better though, or else what is the point.
I see potential in Oastler and LRT which I hope starts to be realised this season.
I am confident we have improved our goalkeeping situation but would like to see a second come in soon.
Pre-season friendlies will give us an idea of what to expect. It is hard to predict how the new players will slot in and how Ling operates without seeing them in action.
Now to find some caffeine to improve my mood.
The way i see it going this seson, is we will have a slow start. Then we will pick up come the end of the season and who knows we could even get play offs or just outside.

I dont understand why people just assume were going down because a few players have left? Our back line is as strong if not stronger at the moment which is good as we wont be letting goals in for fun.
Some fns say our defence is rubbish because if we get a few injuries we would be left with Palmer ect. I would like to remind people it was the same situation last season and noone was to worried by it then.

Yes ok the forward line is weaker but its going to be made stronger so no need to get all depressed about that.

I honestly think people are trying to find any little reason to find any negatives. This then spreads to other people who also then start to worry.

We have replaced very well for Bevs and Branno. I reall feel we will for the others we lost.

Re: like for like then

by HRG » 06 Jul 2011, 10:12

I also doubt that Ellis will end up rejoining Buckle for the same reasons as SG. It has been said many times that they did not see eye to eye.
Regarding Mcphee. I do not remember him first time around, but he sounds a completely different player to the one you all speak about in his first stint with the club. So I will treat him as if he is shiny and new.
After a night attempting to sleep on the sofa I'm not feeling positive about much today, but I am not going to write us off as relegation candidates as our resident miserys have, though they can be as miserable as they like, I'm hardly a ray of sunshine today myself. But I don't see us being play-off contenders either. Lower half mid table I see as reasonable for a difficult season with a lot of changes. I'll still hope for better though, or else what is the point.
I see potential in Oastler and LRT which I hope starts to be realised this season.
I am confident we have improved our goalkeeping situation but would like to see a second come in soon.
Pre-season friendlies will give us an idea of what to expect. It is hard to predict how the new players will slot in and how Ling operates without seeing them in action.
Now to find some caffeine to improve my mood.

Re: like for like then

by Southampton Gull » 05 Jul 2011, 23:04

Fonda wrote: Linked by our own supporters perhaps.

Rochdale were definitely interested in taking him off our hands.
Fonda wrote:Buckle is seemingly intent on taking all of our talent. Only a matter of time until he remembers Ellis presumably...?

I doubt it, it was well-known that Ellis was the one player not scared to open his mouth about Buckles antics on and off the pitch ;-)

Re: like for like then

by Jeff » 05 Jul 2011, 22:35

hector wrote: Not sure I would feel as comfortable with an Ellis/Saah partnership as I did with the Robertson/Branston one. But to suggest that the likes of Oastler/LRT and even Palmer could do a job there is really quite something. On what evidence do you base this. Palmer is a kid as is Leadbitter who is a full-back anyway. LRT is like watching bambi play and Oastler is not a central defender. So imagine a central defensive partnership of LRT/Palmer playing against Bristol Rovers. We would be annihilated.

We are seriously lacking all over our squad. No wingers of any quality. One forward and about to be weakened further in defence. Not really looking forward to the season with any confidence.
Which is why I said if we were to lose both Centre Backs we would need to dip into the transfer market again. Your quite right, a centre half partnership of LRT and Palmer doesn't bear thinking about, but for that to happen I would reckon 5 other players would have to be unavailable. You make 5 defenders unavailable for any club in this division and they'd have a problem.

I said last season that having Charnock was an extravagance and he was probably the best 4th choice Centre back in the division. It was a luxury we couldn't afford and he was first out the door. We are in a similar position this season - as things stand we have 6 players who could play Centre half if it came to it, but 1 forward and no quality wide men (you make that point yourself). If we don't sign another defender, but bring in 3 forward players as Ling is suggesting that would be the best use of the resource he has available.

Re: like for like then

by hector » 05 Jul 2011, 22:22

Jeff wrote:I think Charnock would have been out of contract this summer, and given who things were going he would have been first on the released list.

If Robbo does go, I don't feel that we'll need another Centre half. I'd imagine that Saah and Ellis would then start as first choices, but in terms of back-up we'd then have Oastler, Leadbitter, LRT, McPhee and Palmer in reserves who could all do a capable job. We'd have to hope that we didn't lose both first choice centre halves in one swoop, but if we did (and didn't sign a permanent back up) then Ling would hopefully have the space in the budget to dip into the loan market.

Given the current state of the squad, I think that even without Robbo we'd have adequate cover at the back. I'd like to see any money re-invested in the attacking areas as that is so obvious where we are lacking at the moment.

And for what its worth, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised by the type of player McPhee has become. You don't score 17 BSP goals if you're as bad as he was when he left. He's obviously improved and I hope this time he can show us.
Not sure I would feel as comfortable with an Ellis/Saah partnership as I did with the Robertson/Branston one. But to suggest that the likes of Oastler/LRT and even Palmer could do a job there is really quite something. On what evidence do you base this. Palmer is a kid as is Leadbitter who is a full-back anyway. LRT is like watching bambi play and Oastler is not a central defender. So imagine a central defensive partnership of LRT/Palmer playing against Bristol Rovers. We would be annihilated.

We are seriously lacking all over our squad. No wingers of any quality. One forward and about to be weakened further in defence. Not really looking forward to the season with any confidence.

Re: like for like then

by yellowforever » 05 Jul 2011, 20:29

Richinns wrote:stevegull - Maybe one day, Carayol will find London...

Brilliant!
haha! :bow:

Re: like for like then

by stevegull » 05 Jul 2011, 20:23

Richinns wrote:stevegull - Maybe one day, Carayol will find London...

Brilliant!
I aim to please. Glad to know it got a good reception on your computer! :)

Re: like for like then

by Richinns » 05 Jul 2011, 20:17

stevegull - Maybe one day, Carayol will find London...

Brilliant!

Re: like for like then

by stevegull » 05 Jul 2011, 20:15

Gulliball wrote:A quick search of the Herald Website has a few results.

Bid rejected in January 2011, unnamed L1 club:

http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/GULLS ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Last August too:

http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/UNITE ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks for backing up my somewhat evidenceless (pretty sure that's a word) statement.The more i think about it the more i am getting excited about a Saah - Ellis combination at the back. By all accounts Saah was a leader at Cambridge so he could replace the leadership qualities many rave about Branston for.

Re: like for like then

by Fonda » 05 Jul 2011, 20:06

royalgull wrote:
my gut feeling is Oastler will start the season at right back. Leadbitter being sub, he's had no first team experience so I think it would be a big ask to be chucked in straight away. We might see him play at Saints, JPT that sort of stuff plus a few sub apps just to start with.
I think you're probably right.

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