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Re: Telling Time

by Trojan 67 » 22 Dec 2011, 21:10

forevertufc wrote:There is no doubt that a strong set of results over christmas would put the team in a fantastic position, however this run of games will not make nor will it break our season, last season due to the snow the team only played 1 game in December , so did not reach 21 games point untill the 3rd of January, we lost 4.3 to Oxford and sat 11th in the league with 29 pts, we all know how the season ended.

Fair play to Martin Ling, he said he would trust the squad , and he has done just that, this run of games now will give Atieno and possiblly Mc Phee to show whehter they are worthy of new contracts or not, the ball is in there court , lets hope they step up to the plate.

I'm looking forward to these festive season games, as it will be 3 weeks after the Argyle match until I see the next game against the Daggers on Tuesday 24th of Januuary. :-/

Then we're home again the same week (January 28th) against Northampton. :clap:

Re: Telling Time

by Dave » 20 Dec 2011, 16:21

NickGull wrote: On trial at Bristol Rovers..

:~D
Well according to chairman Higgs, Rovers are ambitious :lol: , and some of the players they signed have not worked out aswell as they had hoped, so maybe Joyce has been lined up to replace the miss firing Zebroski :rofl:

Re: Telling Time

by Plymouth Gull » 20 Dec 2011, 16:19

brucie wrote:wheres Ben Joyce these days?
On trial at Bristol Rovers..

:~D

Re: Telling Time

by Dave » 20 Dec 2011, 16:12

There is no doubt that a strong set of results over christmas would put the team in a fantastic position, however this run of games will not make nor will it break our season, last season due to the snow the team only played 1 game in December , so did not reach 21 games point untill the 3rd of January, we lost 4.3 to Oxford and sat 11th in the league with 29 pts, we all know how the season ended.

Fair play to Martin Ling, he said he would trust the squad , and he has done just that, this run of games now will give Atieno and possiblly Mc Phee to show whehter they are worthy of new contracts or not, the ball is in there court , lets hope they step up to the plate.

Re: Telling Time

by brucie » 20 Dec 2011, 15:47

wheres Ben Joyce these days?

Re: Telling Time

by MidDevon » 20 Dec 2011, 09:00

I think we all forget that despite playing for several clubs, Rene Howe is quite in-experienced at football league level, having played only around league 130 games, prior to Torquay. Discipline has been an issue at most clubs with previous red cards and countless bookings. Maybe that is why, despite going on loan to half a dozen clubs, no one put pen to paper for his services?

Should Rene get sent off again this season, which we have to say is possible, if not probable, he is heading for a minimum 5 match ban. That essentially means we could count him out for half the remaining games......not much value in that is there?

If Lingy cannot count on him, he must be working out some contingency plan. I suspect he will see how the likes of Atieno and McPhee play and make a decision on their suitability in the Jaunary window.

It's terrible news for Howe, who was on track to have his longest spell with any league club, but great news for those waiting in the wings

Re: Telling Time

by tufcbrett » 19 Dec 2011, 23:30

NickGull wrote:Brett, may I ask how many games you've seen this season? Howe is far, far superior to Taiwo in every aspect, bar pace. Stronger, better finisher, more composure, better off the ball, and generally a much better outlet up top. He and Taiwo will be totally different, Rene likes it into his feet, Taiwo will want it so he can run on - I have my doubts that Taiwo has the same level of close control that Rene does. Two totally different forwards, one is a key way of how we play, whereas another has not performed too well in the chances he's had. I will support him, but the fact that Taiwo will be playing in some of the biggest games of the season for us fans (Argyle) really worries me.

Fans point to the Bristol game, I'll agree he took the goal well, and played okay, but that was with Rene next to him. I seriously doubt his ability up top on his own, and for that reason I feel we desperately need a striker in, whether its a loanee or a permanent one.
Im was never saying Taiwo was as good as Howe but im sure he can do the role needed to do. We have no choice in the matter. He will be training every day to learn what he has to do, he will be prepared and ready. Yes he may not play it as good as Howe does but thats football.

All i was saying was we have our strongest back line and midfield which to me will be key as we will prob spend most of the game against Swindon in our own half. Atienos pace could be important for any counter attacks. I would honestly prefer someone else in on loan but that cant be done til Jan 1st.

We are a pro football club and we have pro players training everyday. There is no excuse why we cant handle the situation and prepare well for the game. Howes out and Taiwo is our only option really so we need to deal with that. I agree though we are very light with cover and Ling will know things need to be done about it.

Re: Telling Time

by Plymouth Gull » 19 Dec 2011, 22:52

Brett, may I ask how many games you've seen this season? Howe is far, far superior to Taiwo in every aspect, bar pace. Stronger, better finisher, more composure, better off the ball, and generally a much better outlet up top. He and Taiwo will be totally different, Rene likes it into his feet, Taiwo will want it so he can run on - I have my doubts that Taiwo has the same level of close control that Rene does. Two totally different forwards, one is a key way of how we play, whereas another has not performed too well in the chances he's had. I will support him, but the fact that Taiwo will be playing in some of the biggest games of the season for us fans (Argyle) really worries me.

Fans point to the Bristol game, I'll agree he took the goal well, and played okay, but that was with Rene next to him. I seriously doubt his ability up top on his own, and for that reason I feel we desperately need a striker in, whether its a loanee or a permanent one.

Re: Telling Time

by Trojan 67 » 19 Dec 2011, 21:16

This is probably just what we need and at the right time (to see the strengths/weaknesses/limitations of the squad ahead of the January transfer window.

Always look on the bright side me, see all the constructive positives in the negatives. :)

Re: Telling Time

by Gulliball » 19 Dec 2011, 21:11

We really need a replacement for Howe on loan. Atieno is now the only centre forward we have, and he's inconsistent (I'm sure others would use a different word). If Atieno gets injured, or needs to be substituted (not unlikely given the run of games in a short period), who do we turn to?

We were lacking in options up front at the start of the season, but a change in formation to mean we only needed 3 and a huge step up from Danny Stevens has seen us ok, but now is a big test of that.

Does anyone want us to play Swindon with a front three of Stevens, Atieno and McPhee? As soon as the loan window opens we need to be ready, if we could get someone in for Plymouth that would be a big boost.

Re: Telling Time

by tufcbrett » 19 Dec 2011, 21:00

Im not sure why everyone is so worried about losing Rene.

Im happy the keeper, defence and midfield can be left as it is. With some real tough fixtures coming up i would rather keep a solid base at the back sorted.

Bobby
Oaster Ellis Robbo Nicho
Mans Lathrope O'kane

Thats done us well and our first aim should be to shut up shop and not conseed loads again some big attacking sides.

Going from the 22nd October where we lost to Southend and found ourself some form from there. These guys have scored the goals in the last 10 games:
O'Kane 3
Stevens 4
Howe 5
Nicholson 3
Mcphee 1
Mansell 2
Bodin 2

I know there in a odd order but was writing down like a tally to keep count, but yes howe has scored the most but we have scored plenty of goals with out him. Rene scored in 4 of the last 10 games and we still got some good results. Atieno can fill Renes gap and work just has hard while battling up top using his pace ect. Against Swindon will be tough as we lose Bodin aswell but im sure there is someone who can take his spot out wide.

Keep the system as it is and just fill the gap that needs filling, like i said i would rather keep the back line the same and change a striker if goals are coming from elsehwere its not such a problem

Re: Telling Time

by dazgull » 19 Dec 2011, 20:43

JamieE wrote:Anyone think it may be a good move to change systems whilst Howe is out?

The 4-5-1 we are playing at the minute is reliant on Howe. He holds the ball up, creates space for others and is the focal point of our team. Atieno has his attributes, and I have a bit more faith in him than others, but can Tai slot into this role? I fear if we play Stevens, Atieno and Morris up front, the ball may be coming back at our defence a lot. I think there's a case for pushing O'Kane forward, the best way for us to do well whilst Howe is out is to get O'Kane to be as influential as possible:

Morris - Manse - Lathrope - Stevens

--------- Atieno - O'Kane

A suggestion anyway...

I can see your point about Okane but now we have lost one of the spine of our squad we cannot allow Okane not to play in his best position. We have Bodin out too for the Swindon game so it will be Atieno up front for the three games and then see who Ling will bring in.

Re: Telling Time

by Forest gull » 19 Dec 2011, 18:03

Well said....

Lingy's done us proud so far. :bow:

Re: Telling Time

by Gullscorer » 19 Dec 2011, 17:58

I always thought that injuries and suspensions would be the big problem for a club our size as we go through the winter period. But can anyone say they have not been impressed with Martin Ling since he came to Torquay? I have the greatest respect for the man, and faith in him to pull us through to the end of what is already a suprisingly successful season.

Re: Telling Time

by AustrianAndyGull » 19 Dec 2011, 15:33

No need to change the system IMO. Atieno comes in as a straight swop for Howe, puts in the workrate, gets himself into goalscoring positions and brings others into play. I'm not asking him to score loads of goals but if he scores none and does all the other bits then i'll be pleased. If he does nonethen he can go for me. Come on Tai - we need you now, we'll all get behind you. Just make sure you do your best. :scarf:

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