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Re: Are we going up automatically?

by Cambridge_Gull » 23 Apr 2012, 16:09

I believe its still ours to lose. I just watched the Accrington and Hereford highlights - both teams playing okay at the moment and more than capable of taking points from Crawley (as Accrington did against Shrews at the weekend). We need 6 points and we all know we CAN do it. Whether we will or not is another matter - all good fun though!!!

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by PlainmoorRoar » 23 Apr 2012, 15:26

Saturday -
Torquay 1 - 0 Crewe
Crawley 2 - 0 Hereford

Week Saturday
Hereford 0 - 2 Torquay
Acrrington 1 - 1 Crawley

Simple

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by Gullscorer » 23 Apr 2012, 13:29

We're not going to go up at all. Three games ago we were in a great position to go on and secure automatic promotion. But we failed to measure up, subconsciously capitulated and surrendered points. If my use of idiomatic language is correct, when it came to the crunch we didn't have the bottle. And we shall lose our last two games, Billy Bodin scoring the winner to put Crewe into the play-offs and ultimate promotion, and Hereford getting the three points needed to make them safe and send Barnet down with Macclesfield.

On the other hand, it doesn't have to be that way. The Gulls could man up with nerves of steel, to win our last two games convincingly as Crawley fall apart, or, if play-offs it be, put Barcelona to shame and win through past the final to put us into League One.

I've given up on predictions.. Gone fishing..

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by AustrianAndyGull » 23 Apr 2012, 10:44

I know it's late in the day but why not give LRT a start instead of Stevens who has fizzled out badly the last few months. He is quick and fresh and we need something extra at the minute. Just a thought but i'm clutching at straws. I feel we need to get at Crewe from the off like we did at their place and put the pressure on. If we sit back and start slowly like we did in the Vale home game that i saw then Crewe could be out of sight with the confident youngsters they have in their team performing at the minute. If we go a goal down to Crewe then i'm not so sure we will be as fortunate in getting the win like we were against Vale. Like Cambgull says, Crawley have given us chances and if we had done our bit then we'd be there. I'm not so sure they are in the mood now to allow us in again. Gimme spice! ( and 3 points obviously! ).

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by tktufc91 » 23 Apr 2012, 09:53

I'm still confident we can pip Crawley to third place, albeit maybe being a bit optimistic. Crewe are on a great run of form, but so were Swindon when they came to Plainmoor, we beat them. As were Aldershot, we beat them.

I see no reason why we can't win on Saturday, granted it will be difficult, but Plainmoor is a tough place to come for visiting sides.

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by royalgull » 23 Apr 2012, 09:50

Crawley gave us two chances to take 3rd place and make it our own and sadly we couldn't take either.

Like I said our run in was tougher and we're not a side that you would confidently back to beat anyone, that may sound ridiculous but I wasn't surprised we lost at Wimbledon, nor would I be surprised if we beat Crewe then lost at Hereford. We are a 1-0 side, and if we don't get the first goal we are generally knackered. We lack depth, we lack pace and we can be quite easy to set up against. We're better when teams play a similar game to us, we nick a goal and generally have defended really well this season. On the other side of the coin, Crawley, Shrewsbury even Southend have more attacking threat and more threat in depth than we do. Southend home to Barnet, only ever a home win and a 3-0 scoreline, we wouldn't have beaten Barnet 3-0 if we'd played them at home last Friday.

Crawley will almost certainly beat Hereford at home (comfortably I'd have thought) which means we must beat Crewe. Not impossible but they are one of the form sides and one of those dangerous sides that on their day can beat anyone. The result Saturday in terms of poitns has no significance really. We were a game behind Crawley because of the GD gap between the sides, they've got 1 point but we are still effectively 1 game behind them just with 2 to play. The main problem was on paper it was Crawley's toughest game and probably our easiest one in terms of Wimbledon have nothing to play for.

It's going to be really difficult now, we can still get 86points and you would hope that would be enough but I don't think we'll get them sadly. Too many out of form now at a key time be it tiredness or injury and we simply don't have the squad to change it.

It shouldn't detract either way if we get there or not from what has been an outstanding season. In fact right now is showing just how well the team has done considering our lack of depth.

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by Wisconsin_gull » 22 Apr 2012, 17:28

442 and push up on Crewe makes sense to me also - likewise I fear the record maybe stuck.

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by bixieupnorth » 22 Apr 2012, 17:05

I really think yesterday will shock us back into life again! we can't play that badly again, hopefully well shade it on Saturday altho it's big ask against one of the most consistent teams currently
442 would be great, can't see it tho, Hereford in all or nothing territory

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by Plymouth Gull » 22 Apr 2012, 16:21

Realistically, nothing has changed. We were behind Crawley on GD (effectively a point) now we are a point behind. We need to win both now, and after yesterdays woeful performance I hope Lingy gets the lads sparkling again.

Unless this blip is a masterplan to ensure we play Cheltenham in the PO's, beat them and win at Wembley...

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by AustrianAndyGull » 22 Apr 2012, 14:51

No it doesn't really. Daggers gave us the lifeline we all prayed for but we couldn't even fulfil our side of the bargain. There ain't much point in Hereford taking points off Crawley if we can't even win our game. It all lies in our hands to beat Crewe ad Hereford. Nowt much else we can do about other teams results.

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by TorquayBoy » 22 Apr 2012, 14:33

To be honest, it all lies in Hereford's hands. If they can beat Crawley that would get them out of the drop zone. Then perhaps there would be a little less effort for our game? Do they still have Mr Facey? He was always a threat!

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by tktufc91 » 22 Apr 2012, 11:36

coley wrote:Agree with above...Now there are 3 steps to heaven..Dum Dum Dum
Step 1. We beat Crewe at home

Step 2. We beat Hereford away

Step 3. Accy hold Crawley

Just follow steps 1,2 and 3 !

This seems the most likely option in my view if we are to guarantee automatic promotion. Shrewsbury could only manage a draw at Stanley yesterday so I'm hopeful. We just have to deliver the goods on saturday now.

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by coley in stripes » 22 Apr 2012, 11:32

Agree with above...Now there are 3 steps to heaven..Dum Dum Dum
Step 1. We beat Crewe at home

Step 2. We beat Hereford away

Step 3. Accy hold Crawley

Just follow steps 1,2 and 3 !

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by AustrianAndyGull » 22 Apr 2012, 10:23

I remain pessimistic and two fingers up to all you who have slated me for being so. I did say that if we won our last three games then we would be promoted and in light of Crawleys draw yesterday this scenario would have happened. I also didn't think we would win our last three anyway ( proved to be right ) so therefore my reasoning before the Wimbledon game was based on this belief AND the belief that Crawley will win 2 out of their 3 seeing them promoted. It wasn't total pessimism it was just me calculating the probabilities ( IMO) and making a decision about what is likely to happen (IMO). It is not an 'i told you so' retort to all you optimists as have people have quite rightly pointed out that anything can happen in football. Crawley could drop more points, Accrington away being the most likely venue for this to happen but anything less than a victory against Crewe on saturday and that is it. Yes we could draw and Crawley win and it would go to the final game where we would have to win and Crawley would have to lose meaning we go up but if we get the win and win at Hereford then if Crawley draw last game we'll still be up. Pessimism again makes me think we are totally shot now and our performances recently have been poor and either Crewe on saturday or Hereford are going to put us out of our misery. A win on saturday is an absolute must and regardless of what people think of my negative outlook for promotion, i'll be making the trip down to give my full support and hope the lads can see off an increasingly dangerous Crewe side and take it to the last day. Crewe will be a tough, tough nut to crack and i just hope Billy doesn't play or if he does doesn't play well. I'm sure he will get a good reception from us Gulls though regardless. WIN OR BUST FOR TORQUAY ON SATURDAY IMO. We CAN still do this. We NEED 6 points.

Re: Are we going up automatically?

by popside_yidlad » 21 Apr 2012, 23:29

I have calmed down after results today. Ok we missed an opportunity and we could well regret that come end of season but in the grand scheme of things nothing has changed from before the game except its one game less. We still need to win last 2 and hope crawley slip up. Crawley have to play hereford who if they can muster a win will be out of the drop zone. They should be REALLY fired up for that, lets hope they niggle crawley and they get yet another player sent off then who knows. Then accy away who drew with the shrews today. Lets just hope accy do same again
Lets just hope we can do our bit next time

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