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by SuperNickyWroe » 07 Feb 2018, 13:28

Not good news for 'Pools fans.....

I'm sure Jeff will help bail them out!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42975561

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by Southampton Gull » 05 Feb 2018, 21:42

Read your opening line.

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by Plainmoor78 » 05 Feb 2018, 21:06

Read the last paragraph in the context of the whole post.

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by Colorado Gull » 05 Feb 2018, 17:29

Plainmoor78 wrote: 05 Feb 2018, 02:36 No matter the cock up Nicholson made assembling his squad this summer, he probably didn't have enough money anyway to assemble a competitive squad.

The 'Nicho bashing' needs to come to an end and look to the future. Owers pretty much has his own squad, the 'blaming Nicholson for the position we are in' rhetoric needs to stop. Owers is the manager and he and only he is responsible for the team. However, he is in a nightmare situation with Osborne. Is the problem with Owers? I would argue, no. Why? Because it's the exact same situation as it was with Nicholson as manager. I've said it many times and I'll say it again, the problem with TUFC is and has been for many years, the basic running of the club. Managers have had a terrible time at our club. Budgets that are next-to-nothing to work with, which causes relegation scraps and when the budget increases, we can't attract the players because of where we are in the NL standings! This is all stems down to whoever is running the club. That needs to change. Before that does, everything will be the same and the club's demise will get worse.

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by Southampton Gull » 05 Feb 2018, 10:13

How do you know he made a cock up with his squad assembly? How does anyone know what he'd have got from them? You're basing your opinion on 4 games and then how others managed his signings.

I'd offer the opinion that Owers recruitment has been far more extensive with pitiful return. To still be blaming Nicholson is absurd.

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by Plainmoor78 » 05 Feb 2018, 02:36

I think we have to face up to reality here. When a club gets relegated from the football league to the national league they lose payments in the region of £600,000 to £800,000. And yet they continue to try and finance full time football.
Prior to 1987 and automatic promotion/relegation between the leagues when a club failed reelection it went part time. I think we have realise staying full time in the long terrm may not be realistic for a lot of the relegated clubs no matter which national division they are in.
Clubs try to stay full time because they see it as the only way to get back, but with so many other clubs seeking promotion and going full time it becomes increasingly difficult to challenge for promotion. Sooner or later something has to give.
The growth of full time sides in non league is only benefitting players agents. No matter the cock up Nicholson made assembling his squad this summer, he probably didn't have enough money anyway to assemble a competitive squad.

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by Yorkieandy » 04 Feb 2018, 09:28

It is alarming just how many clubs at all levels are having serious issues with their owners and cash flow. The rule of thumb should be don't spend more than you've got coming in which is a really simple concept yet many owners don't seem to understand this.

Then you have the owners just in it to asset strip or just to siphon money off then do a runner.

There are so many ways in which football clubs are run badly but sadly it seems to be increasing.

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by DB57 » 04 Feb 2018, 09:17

Couldn't agree more. Jeff Stelling's comments just highlighted the fact that football has got itself into a bizarre situation between the haves and the have nots. Nobody who truly loves the game would want to see that sort of scenario played out. I wouldn't want us to survive on that basis.

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by westyorkshiregull » 03 Feb 2018, 21:39

Hope not that would confirm just how rotten football is makes me sick

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by DB57 » 03 Feb 2018, 20:05

According to Jeff Stelling Dagenham and Redbridge are in financial difficulties as well. He speculated, a bit tongue in cheek I guess, that all the clubs that finish in the bottom four might avoid relegation.

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by SenorDingDong » 03 Feb 2018, 18:17

Plainmoor78 wrote: 03 Feb 2018, 16:01 Didn't stop them attracting the Oakland raiders.
or the Golden Knights for that matter. I was talking about a few years back when it was viewed as unlikely that Vegas would get any of the 'Big Four' sports and MLS was their best shot.

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by Plainmoor78 » 03 Feb 2018, 16:01

SenorDingDong wrote: 03 Feb 2018, 10:36

It's a nice thought but one that never really works out in the long run. It reminds me a lot of when people spitball about whether Las Vegas could support an MLS team, the holidaymakers thing is always brought up - and Las Vegas gets far more tourists than Torbay :-o - but ultimately they're hard to attract, may only ever attend one match and aren't suitable for building a football club upon. The key is and always will be the local population.
Didn't stop them attracting the Oakland raiders.

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by Yorkieandy » 03 Feb 2018, 11:27

Around me within a 30 mile radius i have Chesterfield (really small town) who get around 5,000 fans generally, Rotherham, Sheff U, Sheff Weds, Derby, Forest, Notts County, Mansfield, Doncaster, Lincoln and Barnsley. Also a healthy smattering of non league sides which get ok crowds like Matlock, Buxton etc.

It's not an exact science the 'catchment area' argument as i've mentioned above, Chesterfield is a smaller town than Torquay and has huge clubs all around it yet they have been struggling for the past few seasons but still getting between 4 and 5,000 fans at the Prolapse. York have always hovered around the 3,000 mark regardless and the catchment area around them between the likes of Leeds, Middlesbrough and Hull is huge. Especially if you also account for the fact that Scarborough went bust over 10 years ago.

I wouldn't be sure but i think that Torquay's crowds when they had that brief sojourn into league 1 under Leroy weren't that much up on what they nornally were so although the catchment area is big, most people still wouldn't be interested in attending from the local area.

Burton are an interesting example too. Yes they do have stacks of big clubs around them which has an impact on fan numbers, but they still have plenty of empty spaces on the terraces at games even now when they are a Championship club playing the likes of Villa and Derby. Bearing in mind that they came from non league when Torquay were last in it and getting to the Championship you would have thought that locals would be falling over themselves to get in on the action, it just shows how the fanbase there hasn't really been able to grow as much as it would like and that is despite having huge Championship clubs coming to town every other week.

There is no easy answer and even if Torquay were to miraculously get into the Championship :rofl: then i don't see attendances skyrocketing even then because locals by and large don't seem to be interested. This is why i think a club like Torquay should work on the premise that it will always have a set number of regular fans and run themselves accordingly. Clubs like Accrington have proved this is the only way of having a sustainable football club and they have been astute enough to have been able to hold their own for years in a league where many clubs overstretch and fall by the wayside.

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by westyorkshiregull » 03 Feb 2018, 10:54

In my 35 years as a fan and going to school in torquay. I was always laughed at on the whole being a torquay fan. Remember man united fans laughing at me while they were boarding coaches going to old Trafford.
Could never understand the attitude

It's a decent catchment area per club I would think.

I live in batley west Yorkshire and a 30 mile radius has countless league clubs and non league ..leeds ...huddersfield ....sheffields ..rotherham...bradford...york and many more ....

Can't get my head around it...

Devon snobs if I'm honest and yes I am a Devonian but having spent half my life up north there is a difference

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by SenorDingDong » 03 Feb 2018, 10:36

Yorkieandy wrote: 02 Feb 2018, 20:35
All fair points senor. We could rope in a few holidaymakers like you say but it sounds like not the numbers required to have much of a positive impact.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.
It's a nice thought but one that never really works out in the long run. It reminds me a lot of when people spitball about whether Las Vegas could support an MLS team, the holidaymakers thing is always brought up - and Las Vegas gets far more tourists than Torbay :-o - but ultimately they're hard to attract, may only ever attend one match and aren't suitable for building a football club upon. The key is and always will be the local population.

Torbay actually isn't that badly done by in terms of it's catchment, if we became successful (ha) and drew people in from the South Hams and Teignbridge areas, there's 250k+ people there to attract, that's twice the catchment area of places like Blackburn - ignoring the demographics of the area and the way football clubs are the largest cultural symbol of many of the post industrial northern towns.

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