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threelittlepiglets wrote: ↑17 May 2017, 19:12
I stand on half way line Popside. How on earth is my post a threat?

I welcome anyone to come and talk with me, I am nothing to do with GI!!

Now with all due respect **** off!!

That's quite an over-reaction. I made it very clear I didn't know who you were, the word 'if' is very obvious. Others have been much more forceful in their opinions of who you might be, without anything like that response. I'll assume I just caught you at a bad moment. Oh, and writing 'with all due respect' does not provide the freedom to tell someone to **** off. You might want to watch that, some might be offended by it.

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I know we're not a particularly attractive proposition, but the list of friendlies is frankly pathetic. Won't make any money and won't be prepared for the level of opposition we'll face when the season starts.

Having said that, did used to love a summers evening in Dawlish...

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I think we can be reasonably confident that if GI aren't given the go-ahead on the ground, their next 'plan' will be an exit strategy. And any threats of what that might mean are futile - it will still be better than the club being homeless.

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Southampton Gull wrote: ↑17 May 2017, 12:07 Not just yours mate!

We've always agreed on everything Dave!

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I've no idea who you are, but if (as has been insinuated by others) you are in some way involved with the chancers in charge of the club, that sounds an awful lot like a veiled threat?

For what it's worth, I'd rather the club was dissolved and start again 10 levels below where it currently is than let a prospector use it as a vehicle for his own gain. Just my opinion though.

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Sesimbra wrote: ↑12 May 2017, 10:42 Has anyone living in Torbay written to The Editor letters page to drum up support? It would be interesting to see if it is published.
Details of how to vote could be included.

Would that need to be done by 'somebody living in Torbay'? Surely that opportunity is available to anybody?

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Logically, there is no reason that the petition shouldn't receive 20,000 signatures - but people can't be relied upon to do the simplest thing. I've signed many petitions in my time, and am continually surprised by the lower-than-expected amount of names on said petitions. People are generally apathetic - to almost anything. Large numbers of people can't be bothered to vote at election time - the results of which will directly affect their lives. Expecting them to express an opinion on something that probably doesn't, is unfortunately unrealistic. I think many people are fearful of adding their details 'online' too. Where is my information going? What will be the follow-up? I think if we can get somewhere near 10,000 signatures on an issue which with the best will in the world only 3 or 4 thousand people care about, is a pretty good effort.

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I'd expect if Williams goes (and I fully expect him to), it'll be because another club makes him a better offer. He clearly has quality (at this level), and he'd improve any team in this division (on the pitch at least).

I have no idea what his attitude around the place is like - but IF he didn't train well, and didn't listen to instruction, it's probably understandable the manager was loathe to use him - despite his obvious ability. If a manager is clearly undermined by an individual, his authority is weakened.

The fact that Nicho hasn't sent him on his way would suggest they might be over whatever issue they had - but that he probably doesn't have the budget to compete for his signature at this point. I'd expect him to be playing and scoring for someone else next season.

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threelittlepiglets wrote: ↑05 May 2017, 13:09 Yet you all seemed onside with the board who delivered the budget last season??? At the end of the day we did NOT have the smallest budget in the league and teams with smaller budgets performed better than we did.

I know you will go on about our poor locations and inability to attract players but it is what it is... its as if you are expecting someone to buy TUFC and invest millions... oh like Thea did... and lose it all... mmmmm

Playing the last 2 months of the season with only 1 keeper in the squad is reasonable? It's not about 'investing millions'. It's about providing the tools to do an adequate job. Faced with relegation, they didn't react. Didn't care?

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We were due to 'receive a chunk' from Bournemouth weren't we? That didn't happen either.

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The unfortunate truth is that (as has always been the case), we have to get the players here. It's all very well dangling the opportunity of full-time football in front of players - but if to accept it results in a pay-cut (as well as relocation away from family and friends), it isn't quite as easy as it seems.

A decent-level part-time player, with a second job will likely be earning more than we can afford to give them to go pro. And their chance of being 'spotted' in the flesh Is probably better where they are, than here.

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If 100 people give them the answers they are looking for, it’d surely be better if there are 100 people offering an alternate view? If 100% of respondents reply as they want us to…

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I await with baited breath the announcement of the 'retained' list. It's all about cost, and absolutely nothing to do with ability now. I'll be amazed if anyone that isn't already under-contract for an extended period, will get a new one (I'm sure some will be offered something - but expect the pay-cut to be prohibitive). It will be sold to us that 'two relegation battles' indicate it's time to change everything around. And that might be justified. But then marvel how they fill the squad with part-time players from local football.

Really fearful that we've seen nothing yet of how bad it's going to get. Most clubs, having had the season we've had would be looking for significant improvement. I'd be amazed if we see anything of the sort. The budget will be slashed still further. By xmas, we'll be looking back at the 'glory days' where players like Young, Sparkes and Williams played in yellow. We'll have a squad of very cheap, possibly part-time, largely average footballers. Only the fact Nicho has a contract and is probably cheap, will likely mean he'll get another go.

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Superb read mate, cheers for putting the spotlight on our plight.

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royalgull wrote: ↑25 Apr 2017, 17:00 I'm kind of with merse, IF we get over the line saturday and save ourselves then it's a great effort from Nicho and this small bunch of players to have kept the club up from what was a second desperate looking situation on the spin.

BUT

Under no circumstances should it be considered an achievement or more to the point a success. This league is pitiful and we've been a football league club for over 80 odd years, survival in this division is a failure of a season and until the mindset changes from everyone and that includes the fans to not accept seasons like this on the field then we will continually be in these crappy situations.

As a football club at this level Torquay should be one of the bigger hitters, should expect to be in and around the top 6 and anything else should be considered a failure. Because of the disastrous last 5 or 6 years there's kind of been an acceptance of failure around the place and if that's the attitude top to bottom then you'll never achieve anything.

These players over the course of this season have proven in the main to not really be good enough, that's not being overly harsh or nasty it's just fact there are some that are and everyone knows the extra factors going on that has made Nicho's job borderline untenable. i feel for him, I'd love to see him be given a chance to be a manager, he's just been firefighting for 2 seasons, begging and borrowing players to try and fill numbers. i don't blame these current players it's not their fault they aren't good enough to make us a good side and by and large they try their best but I've felt this acceptance of failure has been going on far too long.

It's not the main reason, it's because the previous board couldn't afford to run the football club properly which is why we ended up with this squad and now GI threaten to bury us but if we can sort all that mess out the next thing that has to change is the club's mentality.

Ultimately though we've got 1 game we have to win to salvage this again and try and forget about it forever.

You won't celebrate, after (hopefully) dodging the biggest, deadliest bullet ever aimed at the club? I'd be absolutely ecstatic for an hour or two, massively relieved that the end of the club isn't perhaps quite so nigh, but painfully aware of the huge under-achievement of our club in a league of part-time footballers.

None of that is the point though. The point is, will a critical assessment of the manager and playing staff help in the build up to this massive game? I'm inclined to think we'd be better off waiting until at least 2pm on Saturday.

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