Torquay United Fans Forum

Islamic extremists are no more representative of all Muslims, than the IRA are representative of all Catholics. I was christened as Catholic and as a child very much believed and went to church. Some of the things my English, Protestant, grandparents would say upset me greatly, and only served to push me towards identifying myself more closely with my Irish family. As I grew older and beliefs changed so did feelings towards my family. Thankfully.

What I'm getting at is that this tarring of all Muslims with the same brush, spying on them, attacking them, suspecting them will only cause greater division. The attacks on mosques by the EDL only further the agenda of extremists. A new generation of young, British, Muslims will grow up under a cloud of fear and suspicion. Young, Christian, Britons will grow up the same. All that will achieve is to provide terrorist organisations with a large pool of disaffected youth from which to recruit and corrupt.

As for spying. How long before neighbours start informing on each other because of a grudge? Or perhaps we could just hold denunciation meetings, Chairman Mao style? We're supposed to be free, but if some people get their way, we'll have mass deportations, a return to hanging, constant surveillance and restricted freedom of speech. But only for one section of society. Because that won't fail at all.

Oh, how I wish we could all just get along.

forevertufc wrote:Bayo, no thanks to big can't run. Jake Robinson as a replacement for Jarvis, yes please.

Not Robinson. Please. He went missing so often I nearly sent out a search party. Epic in the 5-0 play-off though. But when people have been complaining of Rene's inconsistency and disinterestedness, why bring in another much the same?

But for him, it's good. As far as PL clubs go it is a good option for him , especially with Lambert in charge who believes in giving youth a chance. There's more possibility of seeing him pop up at Villa in three or four years than most other Prem clubs.

Good for him. I wish him the best of luck.

forevertufc wrote:But no one is preaching loyalty here, it was only right that Rene Howe considered all his options, all people are saying is, Rene has got all the options in front of him, has had for long enough, make up your mind .

Of course Scott you are right in a few days he will be out of contract so no doubt his mind will shortly be made, as said the boy Rene seems to be enjoying the show.

But we don't know what Rene/ his agent is up to behind the scenes, and last minute offers are hardly unheard of. Players have only had long enough to make up their minds once their contract runs out. If he wants to play silly beggars up until the very last second he can. Whether we, or the club like it or not.

divingbboy wrote:It's not uncommon for people to get headhunted. That's business. It is uncommon for people to lord it up on social media and make it public that if their existing employer wants them to stay, they'd better show them the money.

I do agree with this. it is a bit classless on Rene's part and could alienate him from the fans should he end up staying.

My point is, that no matter how frustrating it may be, no matter how long this contract has been on the table, he is well within his rights to take his sweet time to see what else may come about. Sporting contracts may differ to those in the 'real world' but sportsmen's wants and hopes are very much the same. To do the best they can for their families and to avoid a very famous creek without a paddle if they possibly can.

I can understand why folk are annoyed but I guess I'm seeing things from the individual's point if view rather than the footballing one. I think that's where the division of opinion comes from.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why do people expect footballers to behave differently as employees to everybody else? As fans we love the clubs that we support. Unless a player is home-grown I expect no such emotional attachment from them. I expect them to be commited to the cause whilst they're here. If they do that, they should leave with our thanks and good wishes. Howe owes his loyalty and love to his family. Not to us. This is his job. I cannot blame him for keeping one foot in the door, times are damn hard right now, and being unemployed is nothing to mock. This is no different in my mind to anyone looking for a new job whilst already employed. Knill, I imagine, is preparing for Rene's possible departure. It's not as if he's said he will sign then changed his mind at the last minute. Ok, Knill can't sign anyone or make enquiries until we know one way or the other, but that doesn't prevent him going over his options.

I'm sad that Danny is leaving and I hope that he finds a club very soon. I liked him as a player and as a fellow shorty. I shall treasure the Danny Stevens fridge magnet that my dad bought me *sniff*.

Good luck Danny, and thank you.

I miss last season. Last season was good.

Still 45 minutes to go though chaps. COYY.

Scary stuff towards the end, but the lads defended well, although some clearances had me concerned.
Certainly a hard fought and well deserved win that I hope spurs the team on for a good run of results. Looking forward to Cheltenham on Saturday!
I also hope Ling gets well soon and N.C is ok.

I was surprised by the pace of Leadbitter last Saturday. There he was running for the ball towards the goalie, then I blinked and he was up t'other end of the pitch.

Oh and I wouldn't change a winning team unless it is absolutely necessary through injuries/ suspensions.

I'll be there. I haven't been able to keep up with things as much as I would like so far so won't venture to give a prediction or an opinion, but I am looking forward to the match.

rachii12 wrote:same here ^.^

Been an alright start ain't it?! Not too shabby at all.

A good three points but wish we'd converted some of those shots to up the goal difference.

Still, happy happy.

YAY!