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by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 20:07
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

Yorkieandy wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 20:03 Totally agree Jeff. I'm 100% behind the OP and i'm 100% for a phoenix club but neither of us, nor anyone else is going to be the catalyst for it to begin. That's the blunt truth of it. I have my 'issues' from a mental health perspective and also have a distance issue to overcome. Whilst i could be a passionate part of a newly formed club and be able to help in many ways, i'm not a suitable person to be responsible for overseeing things and being one of the 'main men' so to speak.

From that angle this makes me even more frustrated because i do know that without my health 'issues' i'd have had an AFC Torquay up and running years ago. I guess that's why i'm quite aggressive and pushy with the pro-phoenix club agenda.

What a phoenix club needs is a handful of people to really stop faffing around posting on message boards (no disrespect to WestLondon et al, i'm just as guilty) and actually get together and start working out how exactly we will go about achieving this. Action not words.

Unfortunately i can never see this happening and that makes me fearful for the future of football in Torquay because i'm of the opinion that fans are sleepwalking into a catastrophe with regards the current TUFC and there just won't be the pro-active individuals needed to raise a Phoenix club when (IMO) that inevitability occurs.
Ok, you make some good points

So, how about a show if hands, who is willing to get involved in this and take the first difficult steps together?

Then we take the discussions offline.

I'm in.
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 19:58
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

Jeff wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 19:50 If this has been on the cards since Ling left, why has nobody actually done anything?

It's all just hot air
I would say, it's been slowly declining since ling left, but up to last season and this season there was still room for optimism, not much, but some.

Don't know about you or anyone else but I'm all out of optimism regarding league position and the people running the club.

It's now at a point where you surely have to be born yesterday to still think the club has a future.

For me, that's why nothing has actually been done.

The other issue is, for every post in support of the idea, there is a negative post to shoot the idea down. It takes all sorts to make up a message board, but let the idea run, let's hear suggestions on what we could do and how best to go about it, if you have a negative opinion, but no actual substance to that opinion then start a new thread in opposition to the idea and leave this one free to grow with ideas and maybe a plan will come out of it.
Constructive criticism is always welcome but if all you have to say is, "it won't work, blah blah" why not keep it to yourself.
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 19:44
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

arcadia wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 19:38 You give up you'll have nothing.
Is a Phoenix club nothing, there'd be a lot of work to do and organising, does that sound like giving up and having nothing?

Or, just keep blindly supporting as is, and blindly hoping it will improve despite the obvious, yeah let's all have blind optimism, I'm sure that's always worked in the past.

It's true, in life there are the ones that do and achieve and get things done, and then there are the Ines that are afraid to do, who never achieve and always follow or accept their lot, and the latter always needs to pour piss on the fire for fear of it being proven to them that they are losers.
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 19:30
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

arcadia wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 19:28 If we are to survive you've got to stick together and support the team not turn away from them.
It's not gonna survive with us or without us. Can't you see that?
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 19:23
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

arrywithanh wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 19:17 Yes but when AFC Wimbledon and Darlington etc did it they had some element of financial backing... unless you are proposing investing 10/20K? then why not get the ball rolling?
Wow, what a positive post.

I suppose we could kill off the idea by imagining that the only way to make something happen is for 1 man to put 20k in the pot....or, here's just one possible other option, of many, just maybe, a number of fans club together, 40 fans, put £500 each in, is that an option? Or is that as unrealistic as seeing a real dragon?

And before you ask, yes I would put 500 in, I would put 1000 in, and I'd do that annually if it meant creating something to keep Torquay having a football club.
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 19:13
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

Yorkieandy wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 19:04 Apologies WestLondon, i mistook you for WestYorksGull in my earlier post. Honest mistake. :)
Ha, no worries :)
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 19:02
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

Jeff wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 18:49 The whole "Phoenix Club"' idea is just made to sound so simple, but it would be so far from that. And I sincerely doubt it would work as the people of Torbay are so apathetic towards TUFC they wouldn't get behind it.

First major problem - where would they play?

Second problem - what league would take it? Peninsula league level most likely. Who would watch that? Not me, that's for sure.

I think people getting riled up by the predicament on the field is missing the point. I don't see that GI have screwed the club by not investing in the team. I see a squad that looks expensively assembled - but of players still dining out on halcyon bygone days. And KN was stupid enough to meet their wage demands when no-body else would.

Our team would be top end L2 material if we had this group of players back in 2011. They are now miles beyond their best, slow and unfit.

Not everything is rosy under GI, but the reason we are cut cut adrift at the bottom of the league is down to KN
The problems regarding setting up a Phoenix club are not roadblocks, they are standard problems, with the right frame of mind can be solved. With a defeatist attitude a problem will never be overcome.

The Majority of folks in torbay do not care about the club, agreed, but we still have a hardcore of between 1500 and 1800, they would get behind a new club if it replaced TUFC, and in the early days, even 10% of that number would be enough for a club in the lower leagues.

AFC Wimbledon did it, why can't we?


We are not only concerned with the performance in the field, we are much more concerned with the situation in the office, and the results and performances we are seeing are a direct result of the off pitch issue.
by WestLondonYellow
28 Aug 2017, 18:33
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Phoenix club, start planning now
Replies: 77
Views: 7232

Phoenix club, start planning now

Stating the obvious, the writing is on the wall, the football club is dying, no correct that, it's being murdered.

We all know why. We have to boycot games, Hit GI in the pocket. If they wind the club up, we're free to set a Phoenix club up.

Best to plan ahead, how do we:

1. Ensure that f**ker never gets his hands on the ground
2. Start taking action now to create a Phoenix club, could a new club play under a different name until TUFC finally draws last breath?
3. As GI own the club, but do not own the land, do they own the stands? Could Osborne sell the stands (materials) out of spite? Is there a way to protect that from happening? If we set up a Phoenix club we want there to be a stadium to move into when GI leave.

I never thought I'd say this but I'd be happy to see a gate of under 100 at the next home game.
by WestLondonYellow
19 Aug 2017, 18:05
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United vs Solihull Moors predictions Sat 26th Aug
Replies: 115
Views: 22243

Torquay United vs Solihull Moors predictions Sat 26th Aug

Ray Johnstone wrote: 19 Aug 2017, 16:54 Gosling to get TUFC's goal, before Dunkley equalises for a disappointing point for the home side.

Ray
Ray can you stop emailing your tripe on our blog, this is a TUFC blog, please go and email your fellow Barrow fans on the Barrow blog.
by WestLondonYellow
19 Aug 2017, 17:06
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Guiseley v Torquay United 19/08
Replies: 190
Views: 66140

Guiseley v Torquay United

Ray Johnstone wrote: 19 Aug 2017, 17:00 It looks like the Nicholson critics may be laughing on the other side of their faces tonight. I'm afraid you've made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

Ray
F"ck off Raynman, c*nt
by WestLondonYellow
16 Aug 2017, 12:00
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Nicholson sacked 17/08
Replies: 510
Views: 57360

SACK NICHOLSON!!

Has Sean Joyce ever expressed an interest in managing Torquay, or lack of interest. He has 19 year managerial experience with Bideford and has finished top 6 times, with two promotions.

Joyce with Nicholson as an assistant?
by WestLondonYellow
27 Jul 2017, 15:20
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Transfer Rumours 18/19
Replies: 137
Views: 77815

Transfer Rumours 17/18

Ray Johnstone wrote: 01 Jul 2017, 15:48 There are several results when you log him in to the search bar. Dylan has earned excellent reviews from those at Longford. I would welcome him to Barrow as Paul Cox's 8th Summer signing.

Ray
Ray, the way you crack on regardless is hilarious, is that your intention?
by WestLondonYellow
05 Jul 2017, 13:33
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: The New Kit and Sponsor !!
Replies: 19
Views: 3658

The New Kit and Sponsor !!

Ray Johnstone wrote: 05 Jul 2017, 12:56 Nice shirts, but it's a shame that TUFC didn't consider Miller's excellent designs. We have had a similar problem at Barrow, with Chairman Paul Casson choosing our bespoke playing kit from manufacturer Player Layer without consulting the supporters.
It's a shame this isn't the barrow forum.

But anyway, thanks for the insight, it's really interesting to know about Paul Casson's preferences.
by WestLondonYellow
03 Jul 2017, 11:56
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: New kit
Replies: 72
Views: 14920

New kit

Ray Johnstone wrote: 02 Jul 2017, 14:27 1. If we aren't e-mailing, then how are we communicating.
2. The photograph was incredibly juvenile. As you and I both know, Barrow do not sell branded wheelbarrows in the club shop.
3. We were talking about Barrow AFC's new bespoke kits from manufacturer Player Layer, not Barrow AFC's latest summer signings, Scott. I did not find the photograph offensive, as you incorrectly suggest.

Ray
Ummm, is this the right place to email people about my favourite topic? I really hope so, i want to discuss early embroidery techniques employed by native tribes of Peru.
by WestLondonYellow
28 Jun 2017, 16:33
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Assaults on our Freedoms
Replies: 134
Views: 30424

Assaults on our Freedoms

merse btpir wrote: 27 Jun 2017, 22:17 I asked you to treat and regard those of all faiths and those without with due respect, reverence and tolerance ~ that was the simple nub of my posting in response to your obsessive listing of atrocities and incompatibility between Islam and other faiths and practices and giving the impression that it is the religion that is the root cause of terrorism, atrocity and imposition of fundamentalism rather than fanaticism.

As one who lives in and amongst a heavily diverse community which embraces the followers of many different beliefs and religions I am appalled at extremist views being perpetrated to the denigration of our way of life....if I can live in peace and harmony with those of other beliefs then so can you!
Merse, I'm pretty sure all of us on here want to live in peace with everyone else.

For me though, Gullscorer is only pointing out some facts and in relation to current events. None of us should be stupid enough to equate all muslims as a problem, but is it a case that islam might be the root cause and that the humanity of most muslims allows them to not be sucked into the dark side of it all.

If you read the koran you'll find it is incredibly easy to be interpreted in way that justifies the violence we are seeing.