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Shows the benefit of having a decent left back !!

I would suspend all wage payments and revise the pay structure to a commision based approach:

Back 4 - paid per block achieved and/or forward PASS (not hoof) completed successfully
Midfield - paid per successful tackle and/or forward PASS (not hoof) completed succesfully
Forwards - paid per pass received and retained and/or attempts on target.

That should improve the club finances !!!!

I'm not blaming Hargreaves, he has been put in a very difficult position for a rookie.

But he was appointed at the start of the transfer/loan window with, I believe it was muted, some funds (not much though) and I am not convinced that his transactions since that time have been astute. This is probably down to his lack of experience a) in the situation we are in and b)full responsibility for 1st team management. He can only learn from this experience - I hope! - and come out the other side with battle scars and more guile.

I know that all comments point to CH not having funds to use, he made mention that he would like some money in his pre match interview yesterday, but can we believe that all the loan players are coming in at Nil cost? Given his obvious enthusiasm to make this work and, it seems, his predication that we do not score enough goals (I don't think he would find an argument there!), has he spent/allocated whatever funds he is able to use effectively or is his inexperience causing a "panic buy" mentality ?

For the record, I have sympathy for the man( and he is only a man - not Jesus!)as I feel he has been thrown into this maelstrom and is not receiving much, if any, guidance/help from above. Probably because the Board are as inexperienced as CH.

In perspective there are 15 ganes/45 points left in this season and we now need Jesus to peform a miracle and to turn W*nkers into Winners!!

I wonder what the siuation might be now if Hargreaves had gone to Northampton.......??????

hector wrote: The future is very bleak but it isn't the fault of CH.

CH is of the same opinion !

‘’The players are onside and it’s a great group. I’ve got no doubt they will succeed. I’m not the reason we are second from bottom in the Football League.Read more at http://www.torquayunited.com/news/artic ... 28194Ev.99

I ackowledge that we were in the bottom two when he took charge.......but we are still there - who should take the blame for that?

Surely it is a Team responsibility - which includes the players and the management !

Very rare poster, but seasoned follower of this forum.

There seems little more that can be said about the current state of our football club that would provide any insight or solace in this very troubled time.

Much is and has been discussed about the quality, or lack of, evidenced by our previous two managers, but those periods are in the past, albeit there is a belief that we are carrying a legacy of their tenures.

We have to concentrate on the here and now because we cannot change the past. Our current manager is the populace choice Chris "Jesus" Hargreaves, lauded before and at the time of his appointment as an expected "saviour" of the club and our seemingly inexorable descent in to the eternal fires of non-league football.

I must confess to not becoming a disciple when his appointment was pressed for by, what appeared to be, the masses. My view at that time was he was a really nice bloke, good social skills, a face for camera but lacked EXPERIENCE.

My view of his abilities have not changed since his first game in charge. He speaks well in interview and his passion for the club is unquestionable. But does he have the ability to influence the future?.....I have seen no evidence to suggest that he has.

We benefited from the "dead cat bounce" and won a couple of games, but since that time, for me, he has not evidenced the tactical "nous" required, the charisma to energise and motivate a team of footballers to perform to the best of their abilities, or the ba**s to make tough decisions. I am aware that his raw material is a group of club "legends", journeymen and higher league youngsters with little/no experience of a relegation scrap. But I believe that someone with a natural managerial ability would be able to show some progress after 2 months in the job.

Notwithstanding the quality of the tools he has available he has yet to adequately demonstrate to me that he is a man who can manage in a crisis.

At the time I was, and remain, of the view that the board appointed at haste and we will all repent at leisure, their decision spurred on by public opinion, and if CH really is Jesus he needs to open his book of miracles and pluck one out. Given the poor quality of football (I struggle to describe what I have witnessed in the last few weeks as that) he has engineered since his appointment I am beginning to think that his "legend" status as Jesus is over stated and he is actually a simple man.

Before I bring down a hailstorm of fire and bile on myself, I do not have a definitive answer to the problem, but do feel that a short term appointment of a firefighter with CH as his assistant may have worked better for us, with Jesus rising to the exalted position of manager at a future date having learnt from someone with experience.

I apologise for the length of this epistle, and it has been written as a form of personal catharsis rather than a search for salvation and I do feel a little better now.

I sincerely hope that Jesus can find that miracle and find it NOW.