Torquay United Fans Forum

forevertufc wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 17:39 The thing is, the remain campaign and their supporters are now getting more, and more desperate. Staunch remainer Tony Blair's own institute for global change commissioned a poll, where 56 % said they would be happy for the UK to leave the EU with out a deal in place, and 75 % said they thought our country's immigration policy was to open, there's no doubt , there's has been a further narrow shift towards vote leave amongst the British people, suggesting the likely result if the referendum was re-run, would be another narrow victory for vote leave.

So project fear is being ramped up. All negative news being put front and centre, any positive news ignored, we saw stories like, British holiday makers could only get 0.88 cents to the pound in airports, but the same news stories neglected to say, the bone idle, lazy or stupid holiday makers who couldn't be bothered to shop around, could have got 1.13 euro's to the pound on the same day at various retail outlets.

The new story, British planes won't be able to take off after Brexit, my god, just how desperate are they becoming. We only have to look at how the British aerospace and tourisms industry is worth to the global economy to realise, it will not take minutes, but seconds for a new, and relevant agreement to be put in place.

The remain campaign continue to mock, ridicule, and just generally refer to leave supporters as ignorant and thick every time they express an opinion, why, because they do not want the British people armed with to much knowledge.

They don't want us to know about single market tariff's, placed on good goods and services coming into member states from outside Europe, these of course would be slashed after Brexit, of course meaning that certain goods and services may well be cheaper to British consumer, but I'll just dream on.

They don't want you to know about the IMF's growth forecast's as posted by SG, that show the British economy is likely to out perform that of France and Italy, the 2nd and 3rd largest in the Euorzone, and only trialing Germany's the largest by 0.1 %, if to many people knew this, we wouldn't believe all this economic doom and gloom.

They don't want us to know anything about a recent CBI report, showing British manufacturing output at it's highest level since 1999, order books at there highest since 1988, manufacturing sector, currently employing people, Brexit was supposed to be costing us jobs, that's why it's another story swept under the carpet. They don't want you know about Amazon, Google, and many other companies committing to the UK.

They don't want to many people knowing, German car manufacturer BWM chose to build it's new Mini in Oxford, rather than Germany or Holland.

They don't want to many people knowing, the German chambers of commerce is already reporting, Brexit is damaging the German economy, just as some of us said all along, that it would, backed up calls from the free democratic party of Germany, for a special Brexit team to protect their country's vital interests, so if we knew all of this, would the British people believe all the nonsense spilled out, that the EU holds all the cards, they clearly don't.

I think talk of a transitional three period after 2019 just makes common sense, if we have to wait an extra three years to get free from the EU, so be it, there always was going be a need for compromise, and of course we need to protect our own interests.

Reaching out for the status quo, because we're scared of change, reaching out for the single market, believed to be worth 12 trillion pounds, when there's a global market our country can tap into worth a reported 40 trillion is nonsense.

Fred Perry wrote: ↑27 Jul 2017, 13:19 Despite the demise of UKIP , it is they who achieved the Brexit Referendum .

At least they " say it things as they are " , rather than the double standards over the top , political correctness , rubbish E.G. from Diane Abbott , some might say !...

Yes , there are lots of illegal immigrants , that have come into the UK - Our Border Control force does not, at present, have ample sources to deal with this.

In many ways it is imperative , that UKIP gets a new Leader , this September, who is not too extreme , but has the welfare of the current UK citizens living here, at heart and is also welcoming to those who come to live here LEGALLY.

A strong UKIP leader also puts pressure on Theresa May , to deliver a proper Brexit , where things " are " beneficially different , from us remaining in the EU.

This does not necessarily mean I currently would vote UKIP , but many of us can switch political parties and the UK did vote to Leave !...

POLITICIANS SHOULD BE HELD MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY SAY.

lucy6lucy wrote: ↑26 Jul 2017, 20:12 Great memories from Solihull away last season. Great club house and friendly bunch of locals. Boy did it pour down at the end, but sparkles made it a great night. Good luck to Solihull this season, a team doing the right things without being bank rolled.

merse btpir wrote: ↑26 Jul 2017, 09:28 You really need to read the Labour Party manifesto to comment with authority and by your statement it appears you haven't.......

Labour promised to write off the student fees of any university starters this autumn as part of its bid to lift £38bn worth of debt from student’s shoulders. The party had clarified tuition fees would be abolished for people starting their courses this year, to deter anyone who was thinking of deferring their place until 2018 ~ if Labour won the election.

Labour’s manifesto pledge was to abolish tuition fees from 2018 ~ for those part way through their course ~ which it calculates would reduce student debt by £38bn if fees rise to £9,250. Labour claimed the £9.5bn annual cost of abolishing tuition fees would be paid for by increasing corporation tax, and income tax for people earning over £80,000.

As laid out in its manifesto, Labour are committed to restoring the maintenance grants the Conservatives abolished in 2016. It argues tuition fees have held graduates back by starting their working lives “saddled” with debts averaging almost £45,000.

In their manifesto, Labour promised to scrap university tuition fees in England but there was no mention of writing off unpaid student debt; I have a copy of their manifesto here with me.......you simply won't find what you claim in there!

In March 2016, the total amount of debt owed by English students and EU students studying in England, who under the current system do not have to pay anything upfront, was £76.3bn. Speaking to the BBC earlier this month, Shadow Education Secretary Angela Rayner actually said it was the party's "ambition" to write off all debt but she acknowledged the cost would be "huge" and it would not commit to doing it "unless we can afford to". Those are the actual words used.

........and do you now really think you will get what you voted for?

Alot of people ( especially the young ) , voted Labour because they were under the " impression " , they would abolish University Tuition Fees / Get rid of Student Debt .

Corbyn promoted himself heavily amongst the young , too e.g. Glastonbury.

A lot of people similarly voted for BREXIT , for proper control of immigration and to govern with more of our set of rules.

BREXIT is going to go ahead , otherwise there would be a lot of trouble on the streets .

It remains ( no pun intended ) to be seen if previous " Remainers " , Theresa May and Phillip Hammond, have the real conviction , to see a proper , clean BREXIT taking place.

Yes , my wages and others wages have been suppressed.

No, I did not vote for 6 Common Market Countries ( similar economies ) to become 28 EU Countries ( with varied economies ) , where obviously you would be attracted to the likes of rich economies e.g. UK, Germany.

In addition , most of us from my generation , in the 1970s did not go to University to get degrees , as less emphasis on them !...

merse btpir wrote: ↑26 Jul 2017, 07:53 Something we agree on!

But you'll need to change that "I would never become a member of a Party if I did not agree with the views of the leader" ~ standing up for your point of view and doing so from within; THAT'S how you change politics..........the grass roots power of Momentum has done much to underpin Jeremy Corbyn and get the feelings of the grass roots back onto the agenda. I rejoined the Labour Party because of that initiative; as did many others preferring to go with my gut reaction from listening and discussing the matter with my fellow citizens in the neighbourhood and totally ignoring the preposterous media campaign to deny the people their voice.

Politics is all about argument and disagreement; it's the very soul of the matter.

Plainmoor78 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2017, 05:48 Hi Fred. How do you rate solihulls chances in the league this season?
Thought you lot did well last season until a collapse near the end.