Which I doubted.Exactly!! Unfortunately in this world being too nice just doesn't work. I would guess we would all like it to be different but its not!Yorkieandy wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 22:32 Of course he's not going to tell you that he's NOT trying everything he can to turn things around is he? With all due respect to you Nick and i don't wish to offend you but part of the problem at Torquay is some fans simply being too nice and trusting for too long whilst people responsible for the clubs continued demise only need to trot out a line or two in casual conversation and they are believed and given far too much rope when it is rarely warranted.
It's the way i'd prefer the world to work though for sure. Everyone who says something genuinely meaning what they say and being straight down the line but human beings aren't straightforward and they often lie, cheat and manipulate in order to curry favour and divert flak.
Again though Nick and to other fans. No criticism intended. We all think differently .
kevgull wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 20:56 You’ve got the wrong end of the stick sgf.
Hit Osborne where it hurts, boycotting is the only way to bring about change.
Cash is king to Osborne , if isnt coming through the turnstiles changes will have to be made.
Unfortunately with 1400 ish fans turning up every home game, even when the product is consistently shite, why change it.
No but with the loans each year, and I stress "loans" it probably does. If the attendance drops the loans increase, which means more pressure as almost certainly no one will pay million plus for a conference club if it gets to that.
standupsitdown wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 08:32 Osborne does not build stadiums so if he gets the freehold TUFC will cease to exist in any recognisable form. He simply has to be stopped.
Without the freehold he will have no use for the club. Either he puts it into administration, we are relegated three leagues but reform as an AFC, or he is persuaded to cut his losses and sell for a little more than he’d get from administration – which can’t be that much.
Either way we can then have a fan owned club. This must be run according to its means but with our support there is no reason why it can’t survive and progress in the way that the likes of Aldershot & Hereford have. Even in minor leagues fans would turn up if the team was moving upwards. As has been said, the difference is that other clubs are run by chairman who are in it for football not property.
I’ve no idea what players get paid but say 15 players get £40,000, that’s £600,000 / year. Halve wages by going part time and there’s the £300,000 saved.
The fans and town would need to get behind the club. If necessary an appeal could be made to fans throughout the country to fund a buyout – other clubs have done this.
The only future is stopping Osborne getting the lease, getting him out and staying at Plainmoor. Fans mustn't be taken in by his promises. Osborne has no interest in Torquay United and will kill the club.
Southampton Gull wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 09:11 That's almost exactly as I see it. I'm not sure why any of us on here given what we know of his history even entertain the notion of a new stadium. We're either staying in our fit for purpose stadium until he pulls the plug or he'll get his hands on it and do what he always does, string the fans along until he sees through the land grab deal and then leave us all high and dry. The events on the pitch are secondary for now, we should all be focussing on coming up with the funds to rescue the club WHEN he stitches us up. Osborne is still swaying certain sections of the fan base with all these ridiculous claims for the future, the only thing in our future is the demise of the club we all love.
NOW is the time to start preparing, in fact we should have started the second he took the club by default. I fear the fans that are capable of leading the drive to secure the safety of the clubs future are already too old and battle worn to summon up the energy to do what is necessary. Let's not fool ourselves, we're more likely to end up as a fan owned club than one with a benevolant Chairman so it makes sense to me to start raising the funds now for the fight ahead. If we could get the club on a sound financial footing then in time perhaps that benevolant Chairman could be found. There's a lot of fighting to be done before that becomes a possibility, isn't it time that the more knowledgeable amongst us come together and set things in motion? Are TUST up for it? I hope so but they need more people driving us forward.
Shangull wrote: ↑05 Sep 2018, 20:40 There are already excellent artificial pitches in the local schools. The restriction of use of Plainmoor would involve Plainmoor becoming Westlands sporting area which would prob include an artificial pitch and sale of Quinta for housing. Given Plymouths attempts at using Home Park for concerts and the low disposable income for these events at Plainmoor previously and their lack of success there's no clear route to financial success in this. Given the track record of GI the best route is prob to close the door, let GI stop investing and let's start from scratch and resurrect ourselves through community/supporters group ownership. in short it's a bloody mess but the reality is that it's probably impossible to run the club at any profit that would interest a genuine business person. if it had a chance someone would have stepped forward rather than the on going attraction of cowboys.
