nickbrod wrote:Agreed all this negativity is totally unhelpful. So called 'fans' should be behind their team no matter what.
For my money we have turned a corner in December with deserved victories over Southend and Dagenham. Had those two second half headers from Marquis or Mozika gone in against Bristol Rovers it would have been three wins on the spin.
Knill couldn't help losing both Marquis and Stockley leaving a recall for Hawley who despite his goal and hold-up play dosen't sit comfortably in the team. Yet had his penalty gone in I suspect Exeter would have not run away with the points.
As I posted in my match report Knill is going nowhere so get used to the idea.
I thought Nigel Worthington was supposed to be York's saviour but look where they are, repeating, like us, last season's form. Is there a Worthington out poll on their fans' forum? Likewise John Ward at Bristol Rovers?
The point I make is that changing manager doesn't guarantee success. Although I'm as frustrated as the next supporter to find ourselves in relegation territory I do believe we have the players and manager to see us out of danger. You can't tell me the players played as they did in the first half against Exeter if Knill has 'lost' the dressing-room. The second half disappointment was mostly due to Tisdale's change of tactics.
Many will be thinking all Plymouth have to do is turn up on New Year's Day to record a win but I suspect we are in for a treat!
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nickbrod wrote:Agreed all this negativity is totally unhelpful. So called 'fans' should be behind their team no matter what.
For my money we have turned a corner in December with deserved victories over Southend and Dagenham. Had those two second half headers from Marquis or Mozika gone in against Bristol Rovers it would have been three wins on the spin.
Knill couldn't help losing both Marquis and Stockley leaving a recall for Hawley who despite his goal and hold-up play dosen't sit comfortably in the team. Yet had his penalty gone in I suspect Exeter would have not run away with the points.
As I posted in my match report Knill is going nowhere so get used to the idea.
I thought Nigel Worthington was supposed to be York's saviour but look where they are, repeating, like us, last season's form. Is there a Worthington out poll on their fans' forum? Likewise John Ward at Bristol Rovers?
The point I make is that changing manager doesn't guarantee success. Although I'm as frustrated as the next supporter to find ourselves in relegation territory I do believe we have the players and manager to see us out of danger. You can't tell me the players played as they did in the first half against Exeter if Knill has 'lost' the dressing-room. The second half disappointment was mostly due to Tisdale's change of tactics.
Many will be thinking all Plymouth have to do is turn up on New Year's Day to record a win but I suspect we are in for a treat!
This sums up perfectly what everyone needs to hear!
I find it utterly incredulous, and somewhat bizarre that there are people on this forum commending Alan Knill for his tactics in a game we lost 1-3, at home. Someone used the phrase that he got his tactics 'spot-on'. What part of tactically spot-on constitutes a 1-3 home defeat? It is the refuge of the deluded trying to suggest that the better team somehow lost. Those in self-denial refusing to believe what results and league tables show them.
Read the Exeter forum and they say how bad a team we are. Who is right? The biased on there or the biased on here? The scoreline would suggest the former.
Another on here, suggests we have the 'players and the manager' to get us out of this situation. Based on what exactly? Two wins in December? Forgetting the rest of this sorry season, of which the Bristol Rovers and Exeter City matches both revived memories of.
What is it, other than a win against Southend or Dagenham, that suggests this manager will turn it around? This whole dreadful season has been this pathetic tale of woe and misfortune by those unwilling to accept we are crap. The evidence in league position, points, results, goal difference, number of defeats is staring people in the face, yet they choose to overlook this and focus on the odd 15 minute spell in matches where we have apparently played well, even if that results in a comfortable victory by our nearest neighbours. Read this forum and one would think Alan Knill was some sort of tactical genius, even though we lost to a supposedly poor Exeter, heavily, at home. What does that make us?
No wonder the board are sitting on their backsides watching the club go down the swanny, when there are the apologists for failure, among the fan-base, nodding their heads and saying how things are going to turn around 'any day now', something the gullible have been clinging to since around September when it was obvious this clown we have as manager didn't have a clue.
So, I don't have a problem with the fans booing. At least they are letting those in charge they are not going to stand for it much longer. And to suggest that everyone should spend a fortune in this money-strapped times to follow this undeserving shower to Plymouth is, quite frankly, outrageous. To imply ' you're not a real fan' unless you blindly support everything the club does is nonsense. It more likely indicates you are a lemming without a mind of your own.
The club have seriously messed up. For appointing Knill in the first place, for not sacking him and now leaving it so late, that even if they did sack him, there is not time for a new manager to change things about.
And even more sickening will be those, if Knill somehow gets us out of this, suggesting it as evidence of his managerial acumen, when really we should not be in this position in the first place.
Can't believe the stick being dished out for yesterday. We were all over Exeter for most of the game and played far better football. Admittedly the first goal was hit well - I was in line and 6 inches either side and Pokey would have had it or it would have hit the post, then granted they showed a bit of pace to get away from a defender diving in and a hesitant defender for the second and third, which I think sums up our seasons. Everyone has gone on about the attack, but they're having to work really hard for a goal or 2 and then the opposition seem to be handed cheaply 1,2 or 3 goals which makes it impossible. But the effort was there yesterday and there was some good football - far more than Exeter could offer. If Billy hadn't been tripped for the penalty he was 15 yards out with a clear sight of goal and time as no-one was in front of him, hence the City defender's despairing lunge.
I also think the criticism of Hawley is unfair as he gave his all. Ok, I was wishing Marquis was there instead of him when the game started, but Hawley can't go much about his size and although he didn't get much change in the air first half against a bigger bloke, in the second he won more in the air than their strikers did against Downes and he held the ball up reasonably well. I've only seen Marquis once, and people may think he's better, but if Hawley is in the time giving his all, any player at this level can only play to the best of their ability. He got in front of his defender to finish his goal well too and struck the shot that their keeper saved well late in the first half firmly and on target. Getting on his back isn't going to help if injuries elsewhere mean he's in the team.
I went with 3 neutrals who thought it was a very good game and Torquay played the better football and were unlucky. Indeed Tisdale admitted they were battered. If there was a shambles it was a few moment in defence, but certainly not the rest of the performance
Didn't have a great view of the first two goals , just seen them back on T.V no doubt in my mind now, Poke is not to blame for the first goal that's a great strike that would beaten many keepers. And the second goal as I first thought is down to Aaron Downes, what on earth was he trying to do with that sliding tackle, been any later could have passed for 10.30 Penzance to London service.
I repeat (only brucie and hector and perhaps tomogull agree with me) that we will win the occasional game, have a draw here and there, but we are as inevitably destined for relegation as we were after the first (AFC Wimbledon) game of the season where it became instantly clear (at least to myself, brucie, hector and perhaps tomogull) that we were going down. To watch some of the performances yesterday (no names) only underlined the stark, simple fact that we aren't good enough.
hector wrote:I find it utterly incredulous, and somewhat bizarre that there are people on this forum commending Alan Knill for his tactics in a game we lost 1-3, at home. Someone used the phrase that he got his tactics 'spot-on'. What part of tactically spot-on constitutes a 1-3 home defeat? It is the refuge of the deluded trying to suggest that the better team somehow lost. Those in self-denial refusing to believe what results and league tables show them.
Read the Exeter forum and they say how bad a team we are. Who is right? The biased on there or the biased on here? The scoreline would suggest the former.
Another on here, suggests we have the 'players and the manager' to get us out of this situation. Based on what exactly? Two wins in December? Forgetting the rest of this sorry season, of which the Bristol Rovers and Exeter City matches both revived memories of.
What is it, other than a win against Southend or Dagenham, that suggests this manager will turn it around? This whole dreadful season has been this pathetic tale of woe and misfortune by those unwilling to accept we are crap. The evidence in league position, points, results, goal difference, number of defeats is staring people in the face, yet they choose to overlook this and focus on the odd 15 minute spell in matches where we have apparently played well, even if that results in a comfortable victory by our nearest neighbours. Read this forum and one would think Alan Knill was some sort of tactical genius, even though we lost to a supposedly poor Exeter, heavily, at home. What does that make us?
No wonder the board are sitting on their backsides watching the club go down the swanny, when there are the apologists for failure, among the fan-base, nodding their heads and saying how things are going to turn around 'any day now', something the gullible have been clinging to since around September when it was obvious this clown we have as manager didn't have a clue.
So, I don't have a problem with the fans booing. At least they are letting those in charge they are not going to stand for it much longer. And to suggest that everyone should spend a fortune in this money-strapped times to follow this undeserving shower to Plymouth is, quite frankly, outrageous. To imply ' you're not a real fan' unless you blindly support everything the club does is nonsense. It more likely indicates you are a lemming without a mind of your own.
The club have seriously messed up. For appointing Knill in the first place, for not sacking him and now leaving it so late, that even if they did sack him, there is not time for a new manager to change things about.
And even more sickening will be those, if Knill somehow gets us out of this, suggesting it as evidence of his managerial acumen, when really we should not be in this position in the first place.
Sad but true
Plus someone tell me I'm not the only one inclined to think we would have also lost had the penalty gone in?
It's funny his interview on the BBC website when he says, "We've had a terrible November". He has casually omitted another 3 months there! Cheeky!
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
londongull63 wrote:Can't believe the stick being dished out for yesterday. We were all over Exeter for most of the game and played far better football. Admittedly the first goal was hit well - I was in line and 6 inches either side and Pokey would have had it or it would have hit the post, then granted they showed a bit of pace to get away from a defender diving in and a hesitant defender for the second and third, which I think sums up our seasons. Everyone has gone on about the attack, but they're having to work really hard for a goal or 2 and then the opposition seem to be handed cheaply 1,2 or 3 goals which makes it impossible. But the effort was there yesterday and there was some good football - far more than Exeter could offer. If Billy hadn't been tripped for the penalty he was 15 yards out with a clear sight of goal and time as no-one was in front of him, hence the City defender's despairing lunge.
I also think the criticism of Hawley is unfair as he gave his all. Ok, I was wishing Marquis was there instead of him when the game started, but Hawley can't go much about his size and although he didn't get much change in the air first half against a bigger bloke, in the second he won more in the air than their strikers did against Downes and he held the ball up reasonably well. I've only seen Marquis once, and people may think he's better, but if Hawley is in the time giving his all, any player at this level can only play to the best of their ability. He got in front of his defender to finish his goal well too and struck the shot that their keeper saved well late in the first half firmly and on target. Getting on his back isn't going to help if injuries elsewhere mean he's in the team.
I went with 3 neutrals who thought it was a very good game and Torquay played the better football and were unlucky. Indeed Tisdale admitted they were battered. If there was a shambles it was a few moment in defence, but certainly not the rest of the performance
Here we go again - all ifs and buts and if onlys.
The facts are we LOST. 1-3. At HOME. To EXETER of all clubs. Bloody hell, when will people wake up and see what is staring them in the face. We are TWENTY-THIRD, in the relegation zone! Just nonsense.
Knill has had September to win enough points to put daylight between us and the bottom 2. FAILED
Knill then had October to win enough points to put daylight between us and the bottom 2. FAILED
Knill then had November to win enough points to put daylight between us and the bottom 2. FAILED
Knill has now had December to win enough points to put daylight between us and the bottom 2. FAILED
See where this is heading? So by my reckoning come April we'll be.......YOU GUESSED IT!!
IN THE BOTTOM 2!!!!
It will feel like a win but not as much as those 3 first round cup exits to nil did. What with that and the regular shipments of loanees, wasted cash on poor signings, wasted cash on paying players he won't play and his salary for doing precisely sod all it is probably just as well Brassy left as at least we will have some money coming back into the club instead of the constant haemhorrage of the stuff due to incompetence.
HOORAY FOR BRASSY LEAVING!! IT FEELS LIKE 3 FIRST ROUND CUP WINS!! (INCOME WISE)
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
Nothing we can do though apart from just keep turning up and keep getting behind the lads.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
AustrianAndyGull wrote:Nothing we can do though apart from just keep turning up and keep getting behind the lads.
Pat of me agrees with you Andy, all of me wants what's best for TUFC but I'm afraid it has now become too painful.
After nearly 50yrs of ups and downs this time I almost feel that the board, that I know initially wanted TUFC to be the best they could make it, are resigned to the bateson ideology that the conference is now the right place for TQY and it's limited budget and resources.
I just don't agree, and I just can't pay the section of entrance fee that's paying this mans wages.
We have a long and proud history of being a football league club and although we are small and geographically disadvantaged we have always kept our head above water generally speaking. Part of me is beginning to believe that maybe we are a conference club after all, we seem to be run like one, and we are just delaying the inevitable but the other part wants to fight, I see a great little ground, a fine new grandstand and I don't want to see that all go to waste by dropping into the non league and having to see 4 Radcliffe Borough fans in the away end. If fans stop going it will make it harder and harder for us to survive and although Ling started the rot he also got us a decent cup tie against Sheff U that I will always remember and the run to the play offs despite abysmal football helped the club no end with increased attendances. Knill has just turned the screw on us and has given us nothing back either financially or in a footballing sense. Some of the football I've seen under Knill has been absolutely atrocious. I can totally understand that fans don't want to go anymore and to keep giving Knill charitable handouts as that is what it feels like but everyone MUST keep going, give it some more time and persevere and we'll see where we are come May. The club must replace the money wasted on this sad man, yes they made a mistake in appointing him and should have conducted a proper interview process with other candidates but a lot of us including me were ok with Knill being appointed. Not our ideal choice but we felt he deserved a chance after keeping us up. Well I'd say that he has had more than enough chances and if many more are needed then we're going down but let's not punish the club, the board and the players. Most of them are good pro's and want to do well, some are a waste of space and should really be retraining for accountancy or something. Lose faith if you want to, I did months ago when I realised that Knill was seriously odd and seriously out of his depth but lose the will to stop going to matches home OR away and everyone suffers. YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
