Given the choice would you want them next season?

Neal · Post by **Neal** » 03 Mar 2015, 07:29

does that mean we only have 3 under contract for next season? thank god for that

DJ Gull · Post by **DJ Gull** » 03 Mar 2015, 09:12

brucie wrote:Clearly DJ Gull is a prize bell end who hasn't seen a game all season.

Only an Actual bell end would say something like that.

For your info I have been to every game bar one!

Ajala runs his socks off yes, for a 10 Min period of the match, After that looks exhausted, and too often looks uninterested!

Post by **Dave** » 03 Mar 2015, 09:20

tomogull wrote: Even Forever whose posts are usually well reasoned would only keep six.

Apologies, I should have taken a little more time to try an explain my view points, however I was in general answering the question set in the thread title. In reality your right and what we'll see in the summer is likely going to be very different to fans wish lists, after all as correctly pointed out, CH and some of our current players are under contract, so will be with us next term, unless they resign or get brought.

Right now there are a lot of players just not playing for the manager period, so we do need to take a long hard look at CH and ask the question why aren't they playing for the manager, the players aren't blameless also, we have question thier professionalism, they may not like the manager or his methods, they've still got a job to do, and that's why I've put a fair few down to go.

I look at Ajala out on the pitch he never stops working, sign of a player with great attitude, then MacDonald, been the stand out defender, and this whole incident with the fans, I don't mind that at all, it showed he was hurting and cared as much as we do, don't think he should have been fined for that.

Then I look at Briscoe, no doubting this lads ability as a player, but I do question his personal discipline. I don't buy into this, it's the conference this is the sort of player you get, I might have this all wrong and apologise to Briscoe if I have, but when I see Kingsteignton players out on a non-training night running and keeping in shape, and your talking about players who pay subs to play, I then look at Briscoe and think lazy arrogant professional player.

I think some of the players will go, not because CH doesn't want them ,more down to we cant afford them on next season likely player budget, and I think the club could have a problem keeping the likes of Pearce and Chapell, just can't see them wanting to stay on the sort of money our club will be paying.

royalgull · Post by **royalgull** » 03 Mar 2015, 10:46

Martin Rice - I think regardless Ricey will probably leave this summer.
Dale Tonge - Release. One of our worst players ever and a high earner
Tom Cruise - Release. Not good enough
Aaron Downes - Release - terrible terrible player whose mistakes get forgotten as he scores 5 a season.
Krystian Pearce - Release. Our best defender but doesn't want to be here anymore.
Ben Harding - Release - See Tonge
Louis Briscoe - Keep. Under contract needs a good pre season
Luke Young - Keep. Our best player
Ryan Bowman - Keep. Our 2nd best player.
Toby Ajala - Keep. Something about him had a reasonable first season.
Courtney Cameron - Non fussed either way, has talent but we don't see it enough, probably release.
Jordan Chapell - Similar to Cameron but I think he'll go regardless.
Ashley Yeoman - Release. been here yonks never established himself.
Courtney Richards - Keep. Think there's a player there needed to come out of the side but we have no other options.
Elliot Benyon - Release. Hasn't worked, not good enough anymore.
Angus MacDonald - Keep. Had a good season need to find him an experienced partner for next year.
Duane Ofori Acheompong - I'd probably give Duane another year think he's done ok in the main.
Levi Ives - Would want to keep but a bit like Pearce and possibly Luke Young it will be out of our hands.
James McQuilkin Him, Reid and Dawson have 13 games to earn deals, too early to say right now although i like that McQuilkin is versatile, could be a useful squad player for a team on a budget.
Aaron Dawson - right back position is there for someone.
Jamie Reid - With Cameron and probably Chapell going there's a chance for Reid to earn a deal.
Oliver Guegen - Again we're going to have defensive vacancies so if he has a good 13 games then maybe worth a longer deal.

royalgull · Post by **royalgull** » 03 Mar 2015, 10:48

Trojan 67 wrote:Chris Hargreaves - sacked by incoming triple rollover euro lottery winner

Martin Rice - yes (as back up 2nd choice 'keeper, as he's Ian's mate)
Tom Cruise - no.
Aaron Downes - no.
Dale Tonge - no
Krystian Pearce - no

Angus MacDonald - yes (six month contract to January 2016 transfer window, dependent on successful anger management therapy)

Courtney Richards - no
Courtney Cameron - no
Jordan Chapell - no
Ben Harding - no
Luke Young - yes (under contract until 2016)
Toby Ajala - yes (six month contract to January 2016 transfer window)
Ashley Yeoman - no
Elliot Benyon - no
Louis Briscoe - yes (under contract until 2016)
Ryan Bowman - yes (under contract until 2016)
Duane Ofori-Achaempong - yes (six month contract to January 2016 transfer window)

Haha Troj! He wouldn't stay as 2nd choice mate!

Post by **Trojan 67** » 03 Mar 2015, 15:26

royalgull wrote:
Haha Troj! He wouldn't stay as 2nd choice mate!

I wouldn't either. As first choice 'keeper for a top south west part time pro club he will earn more by combining two wages. I've seen Martin at work on site and he is an honest grafter who wont be short of job offers.

PlainmoorRoar · Post by **PlainmoorRoar** » 03 Mar 2015, 15:45

Those under contract is a very small number!

MANAGER: Chris Hargreaves - Yes -100%

MF: Micky Parcell - June 2016 - undecided - do we have the budget?
MF: Sam Chaney - June 2016 - undecided - do we have the budget?
MF: Luke Young - June 2016 - Yes
MF: Courtney Richards - June 2016 - Yes

FW: Louis Briscoe - June 2016 - Yes
FW: Ryan Bowman - June 2016 - Yes

Quite right rich!

Richinns · Post by **Richinns** » 03 Mar 2015, 15:55

I am pretty sure Richards and Chaney are also under contract for next year.

Post by **Scott Brehaut** » 03 Mar 2015, 16:09

Richards is here next year: http://www.torquayunited.com/news/artic ... 85021.aspx

gulls1989 · Post by **gulls1989** » 03 Mar 2015, 16:18

Chris Hargreaves - Yes. Given time I think he can bring us some success.

Martin Rice - Yes. Ideally as backup, but content(ish) with him as our no.1.

Tom Cruise - No. Time for Tom to move on I think.
Aaron Downes - Yes. Vital member of the squad despite not quite being the player he was when he first joined.
Dale Tonge - No. No explanation required.
Levi Ives - Yes. Looks as though he has the potential to develop into a decent player.
Krystian Pearce - No. As great as he's been in the past his time with us seems to have come to a bit of a standstill.
Angus MacDonald - Yes. Good young player. Possible captain in the future?

Courtney Richards - Yes. Needs to improve in certain areas, but no doubt a talented player.
Courtney Cameron - No. So much potential, just doesn't seem willing to put the effort in at times.
Jordan Chapell - No. As much as I like him as a player I find him a little lightweight for this level.
Ben Harding - No. Too much time out through injury. No room for tag-alongs.
Sam Chaney - Yes. I'm all for players being given a chance coming up from the youth team.
Mickey Parcell - Yes. As above.
Luke Young - Yes. I like him as captain. Great player for this level, just needs a bit more quality around him. Nice to see a Devon lad captaining the side.
Toby Ajala - Yes. A lot of potential there.
James McQuilkin - Yes. Pleased to see he's been signed until the end of the season. Versatile and hard-working.

Ashley Yeoman - Yes. Although it's really time for him to get a good run in the first team or I can see his career fizzling out very quickly.
Elliot Benyon - No. Never been the same since leaving us first time around.
Louis Briscoe - Yes. Creative and strong player.
Ryan Bowman - Yes. Wasn't keen at first but starting to see what CH sees in him.
Duane Ofori-Acheampong - No. Not terrible by any means, just not quite good enough in my opinion.

Olivier Gueguen - Yes. Looks to be a good player. Sign him up!
Aaron Dawson - Yes. With Tonge inevitably moving on I could see him making the RB position his own for the next year or two. Again, always good to have local players in the squad.

Jamie Reid - Yes. Providing Exeter don't want him next season, of course. Another local lad.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » 03 Mar 2015, 17:43

The only three players I really want to stay are Young, Ajala and Downes (on a reduced wage). Others I'd be satisfied to see here next season are MacDonald, Richards, Ives and Bowman. Undecided on Cameron and Chapell. The rest can all go (not counting recent newbies).

Post by **Gulliball** » 03 Mar 2015, 19:13

Chris Hargreaves I am still undecided over, but he has another year under contract and should/almost certainly will get a chance to see that out. It's a massive year for him if he wants to extend his career as a manager. Not many people go upwards after leaving Torquay without being targeted.

Luke Young, Ryan Bowman, Louis Briscoe and Courtney Richards are under contract, so will all be kept. They are amongst our better players too, and in a better side would probably offer more consistency.

MacDonald and Ajala I would offer a longer deal to now. They are consistently our better players and both young enough to develop further too.

After that, it really depends on wages. I would be happy to keep Martin Rice as a number two, but we simply have to replace Seabright in the summer with a bona fide number one goalkeeper. This should be our number one priority as we cannot afford a repeat of the last disastrous 18 months.

Downes, Pearce, Chapell and Cameron are all very good players on their day, but were all signed during our league days, so would probably need a pay cut to fit within our new budget.

One of Yeoman or Ofori-Acheampong might be worth keeping as a fourth choice striker, whichever fits best with the other targets in mind. The non-contractors are too early to say at the moment.

With the rest, we really need a clear out. I cannot see many staying, either because they want to keep their current wage or are not good enough. Hopefully a clear out will help to stop the slide we've been on for three years now and give the manager room to bring in new blood in the Bowman/Young mould rather than trialists and non-contractors.

ethantufcbaker · Post by **ethantufcbaker** » 03 Mar 2015, 19:16

Chris Hargreaves - Yes he cant definitely spot a player. next season will be his squad

Martin Rice - Fairly certain he will leave but keep as no.2

Tom Cruise - versitile player but not first team quality depends on budget and who is willing to come to torquay
Aaron Downes - Yes but on reduced waged
Dale Tonge - No way
Levi Ives - Yes if he signs
Krystian Pearce - no.high wage and doesnt look interested
Angus MacDonald - Yes one of the best players so far and totally committed

Courtney Richards - Yes he is a good player look how he performed earlier in the season. CH ruined his confidence at alfreton
Courtney Cameron - No. he just doesnt even bother any more
Jordan Chapell - yes when he was player a few weeks ago, he was good weakness in crossing
Ben Harding - only if he was on very low wage as a defensive midfield player with no injury
Sam Chaney - Yes looked okay and plenty if potential
Mickey Parcell - Yes. same as chaney
Luke Young - Yes. hes local and not much more to say player of the season even if he has gone off the boil.
Toby Ajala - Yes. obviously how can anyone say he is lazy or lack of effort. he tries harder than anyone. needs to work on long range shooting as when he wins the ball he tries to walk it in.
James McQuilkin - Yes. hes a great squad player like james milner can be played anywhere.

Ashley Yeoman - No time for both parties to move on.
Elliot Benyon - No. not the player he used to be and probably too high wage.
Louis Briscoe - Yes. strong but needs to lose weight and probaly the best finisher power like podolski. play as a stiker not as a winger
Ryan Bowman - Yes. best stiker that we own since howe.
Duane Ofori-Acheampong - yes he needs to be stronger and more willing to header but him and richards seem very comitted to the club

Olivier Gueguen - Yes. he looks good
Aaron Dawson - havent seen him yet but tonge is leaving so prove yourself
Jamie Reid - havent seen him and exeter probably will keep him

hector · Post by **hector** » 03 Mar 2015, 23:11

Chris Hargreaves - I'm fairly neutral. I desperately want to work for him but getting less confident.

Martin Rice - No

Tom Cruise - he was doing much better but probably not convinced enough to persevere with.
Aaron Downes - possibly if much reduced salary
Dale Tonge - No
Levi Ives - No. I've seen nothing to suggest that he is a future superstar.
Krystian Pearce - No
Angus MacDonald - Yes

Courtney Richards - Yes
Courtney Cameron - No. No end product
Jordan Chapell - No - I expected better at this level but not really been good enough
Ben Harding - no
Sam Chaney - probably will go the same way as Sullivan, Hutchings, Thompson
Mickey Parcell - see above
Luke Young - Yes
Toby Ajala - Yes
James McQuilkin - No

Ashley Yeoman - No - we cannot keep giving him contracts
Elliot Benyon - No - let this nightmare end
Louis Briscoe - Yes
Ryan Bowman - Yes
Duane Ofori-Acheampong - Yes

Olivier Gueguen - Yes
Aaron Dawson - possibly
Jamie Reid - would nice to have a local lad and Torquay fan in the team

Thanks to Ethan for his template

Post by **Southampton Gull** » 04 Mar 2015, 05:19

royalgull wrote:Martin Rice - I think regardless Ricey will probably leave this summer.
Dale Tonge - Release. One of our worst players ever and a high earner
Tom Cruise - Release. Not good enough
Aaron Downes - Release - terrible terrible player whose mistakes get forgotten as he scores 5 a season.
Krystian Pearce - Release. Our best defender but doesn't want to be here anymore.
Ben Harding - Release - See Tonge
Louis Briscoe - Keep. Under contract needs a good pre season
Luke Young - Keep. Our best player
Ryan Bowman - Keep. Our 2nd best player.
Toby Ajala - Keep. Something about him had a reasonable first season.
Courtney Cameron - Non fussed either way, has talent but we don't see it enough, probably release.
Jordan Chapell - Similar to Cameron but I think he'll go regardless.
Ashley Yeoman - Release. been here yonks never established himself.
Courtney Richards - Keep. Think there's a player there needed to come out of the side but we have no other options.
Elliot Benyon - Release. Hasn't worked, not good enough anymore.
Angus MacDonald - Keep. Had a good season need to find him an experienced partner for next year.
Duane Ofori Acheompong - I'd probably give Duane another year think he's done ok in the main.
Levi Ives - Would want to keep but a bit like Pearce and possibly Luke Young it will be out of our hands.
James McQuilkin Him, Reid and Dawson have 13 games to earn deals, too early to say right now although i like that McQuilkin is versatile, could be a useful squad player for a team on a budget.
Aaron Dawson - right back position is there for someone.
Jamie Reid - With Cameron and probably Chapell going there's a chance for Reid to earn a deal.
Oliver Guegen - Again we're going to have defensive vacancies so if he has a good 13 games then maybe worth a longer deal.

Pretty much how I see it, then Hargreaves can show a few armchair managers the error of their ways with a squad of his own signings, even if they happen to be bargain basement signings

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