Survival: Could we do it?

westyorkshiregull · Post by **westyorkshiregull** » 21 Mar 2018, 20:44

Yes nice finish from tight angle. Half decent game but if anyone is watching can't understand why such similar kits ....must be confusing

westyorkshiregull · Post by **westyorkshiregull** » 21 Mar 2018, 20:56

Pools 2.1 up. Quality goal from 30 yards

goody2449 · Post by **goody2449** » 21 Mar 2018, 20:58

westyorkshiregull wrote: 21 Mar 2018, 20:56 Pools 2.1 up. Quality goal from 30 yards

Cracking strike! The kits are confusing me too

lucy6lucy · Post by **lucy6lucy** » 21 Mar 2018, 21:57

goody2449 wrote: 21 Mar 2018, 20:58 Cracking strike! The kits are confusing me too

The confusing kits or Hartlepool winning have just confirmed our place next season in Conf south. There is no positive.

westyorkshiregull · Post by **westyorkshiregull** » 21 Mar 2018, 22:07

Yep. 4 weeks Harrop and bringing in kids and no experience added
It's all in the planning and we didn't plan

It's good night Vienna

westyorkshiregull · Post by **westyorkshiregull** » 21 Mar 2018, 22:12

After the previous 2 seasons it's what we deserve.

Gloomy Gull · Post by **Gloomy Gull** » 22 Mar 2018, 10:49

Bye Bye National League - that result has surely killed off any teeny tiny glimmer of hope

and slammed the lid tight shut on our coffin

westyorkshiregull · Post by **westyorkshiregull** » 22 Mar 2018, 12:41

Good bye and although I can't even imagine us having a relegation scrap in the southern part I also can't imagine how difficult it is for promotion with only the top team going up and one from 6 below
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View1 · Post by **View1** » 22 Mar 2018, 12:54

Sad state of affairs, but we need to try and finish as high up as we can still.

Perhaps grasping at straws but a club could go into administration or not fulfil requirements to go up etc and we need to at least be in the position to be the next in line.

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 22 Mar 2018, 13:08

Self inflicted problems for the fifth season running......

Sticking with a manager clearly not up to the job and then realising just four games into the season what a pig's ear he had made of the summer signings.

Not having his replacement already sealed and delivered if not signed, and the dreadful hiatus before Owers came in.

Failure to scrutinise the previous manager's percentages of the budget to too small a percentage of the whole squad thus forcing the impractical reliance on so any young loanees being taken on board just to get the squad up to numerical strength.

A poor footballing infrastructure and destabilising environment has (over a period of time) brought the club it's just desserts ~ relegation into a level of football more suited to it's inability to operate at a level commensurate to where it is dropping from. It was the same when we dropped out of the Football League; and it will be the same further down the road if this club does not come to terms with it's own dreadful manner of running it's business.

budegull1954 · Post by **budegull1954** » 22 Mar 2018, 13:17

Agree with everything above - sheer incompetence and failure for 5 years running have brought about this sad state of affairs. As someone else has posted unless the present incumbents show real desire and planning for next season we will be looking at a further relegation scrap. It will certainly NOT be a cakewalk in the NLS - teams will be gunning for us as a 'fallen giant' and will look forward to taking a big scalp, especially if it's at the best stadium in the NLS (ie Plainmoor!).

westyorkshiregull · Post by **westyorkshiregull** » 22 Mar 2018, 13:21

What and is there a percentage of our troubles this season and perhaps the last few aswell belong to the manager and the people ( person ) on the board.

For me it's all returns to that 4 week wait where all sorts of names were mentioned and we ended up being a manager in I would think could have been sorted in 72 hours.

Was it the manager they wanted or a yes man to nod at everything osborne says.

That 4 weeks is a watershed period

View1 · Post by **View1** » 22 Mar 2018, 14:23

merse btpir wrote: 22 Mar 2018, 13:08 Self inflicted problems for the fifth season running......

Sticking with a manager clearly not up to the job and then realising just four games into the season what a pig's ear he had made of the summer signings.

Not having his replacement already sealed and delivered if not signed, and the dreadful hiatus before Owers came in.

Failure to scrutinise the previous manager's percentages of the budget to too small a percentage of the whole squad thus forcing the impractical reliance on so any young loanees being taken on board just to get the squad up to numerical strength.

A poor footballing infrastructure and destabilising environment has (over a period of time) brought the club it's just desserts ~ relegation into a level of football more suited to it's inability to operate at a level commensurate to where it is dropping from. It was the same when we dropped out of the Football League; and it will be the same further down the road if this club does not come to terms with it's own dreadful manner of running it's business.

For once I agree with every single word you have written.

MellowYellow · Post by **MellowYellow** » 22 Mar 2018, 14:36

merse btpir wrote: 22 Mar 2018, 13:08 Self inflicted problems for the fifth season running......

Sticking with a manager clearly not up to the job and then realising just four games into the season what a pig's ear he had made of the summer signings.

Not having his replacement already sealed and delivered if not signed, and the dreadful hiatus before Owers came in.

Fair comment. But to make a more balance debate we could add:

Sticking with a manager clearly not up to the job and then realising after 28 games in charge this season what a pig's ear he had made of his 22 signings (enough for two teams).

... and the dreadful hiatus after Owers came in... having abdicated the Roman throne to reign over the Riviera he took our team eight points adrift of safety and has majestically kept us in the relegation zone, achieved the third worst goal difference in the league and guided us to an underwhelming nine points adrift from safety with regional football beckoning.

There we go - more balanced, dont you think.

Just saying!

Arrywithnobrain · Post by **Arrywithnobrain** » 22 Mar 2018, 15:32

merse btpir wrote: 22 Mar 2018, 13:08 Self inflicted problems for the fifth season running......

Sticking with a manager clearly not up to the job and then realising just four games into the season what a pig's ear he had made of the summer signings.

Not having his replacement already sealed and delivered if not signed, and the dreadful hiatus before Owers came in.

Failure to scrutinise the previous manager's percentages of the budget to too small a percentage of the whole squad thus forcing the impractical reliance on so any young loanees being taken on board just to get the squad up to numerical strength.

A poor footballing infrastructure and destabilising environment has (over a period of time) brought the club it's just desserts ~ relegation into a level of football more suited to it's inability to operate at a level commensurate to where it is dropping from. It was the same when we dropped out of the Football League; and it will be the same further down the road if this club does not come to terms with it's own dreadful manner of running it's business.

The same old dog shaking the same old bone If you are aware of other ball games, apart from Association Football, you probably think that W.G.Grace is in some way responsible for England's latest batting collapse or that Webb Ellis is directly to blame for England's abject Six Nations performance. Take a mental laxative Merse to relieve your cranial constipation: Owers may be the new Mersiah but he hasn't exactly made a silk purse with the innumerable signings that he has made, has he? If only you were the Manager/Chief Coach/Groundsman/Minibus Driver/HE Reporter etc etc Merse, with your infinite footballing wisdom and endless list of contacts, the pig's ear that you consider to be Nicholson's legacy would not even have presented a challenge to you. With three quarters of the season remaining you would have comfortably assured Torquay United of the title so although Owers may be a lesser mortal than yourself he should surely have been easily able to avoid relegation if he was a capable manager. Instead all that he has managed is to turn the pig's ear into a dog's breakfast without even achieving the traditional 'dead cat's bounce' when he took over.
You may well be correct with regard to your comments regarding the infrastructure of the club but that has no relevance to the performances of the players. If the players perform badly the responsibility belongs to the man who picks them, coaches them and instructs them tactically: at present that person is Owers and the fact that the team has failed to improve during his tenure is attributable directly to his competence, or lack of it, rather than that of his predecessor.

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