Lack Of Ambition and TUFC

[Trojan 67]

Where exactly has it been stated, officially, that TUFC have admitted lack of ambition (as in can't afford/don't want to go up to League One at this present time) ?

I've not seen it stated anywhere, officially, so would be grateful to be pointed in the right direction by someone who has official conformation, as it will affect my way of supporting the club, along with a few thousand others.

Let's suppose we advance to the playoff final. What is the point of going to Old Trafford to see my team deliberately lose because it can't afford to go up ? Many more (thousands probably) won't be going for the same reason.

They might deliberately lose to Shrewsbury so the Old Trafford question won't apply. Then there's next season, next season's season tickets and matchday attendances.

This rumour (and it is a rumour) of our TUFC lacking ambition is doing our club massive damage. You, who are spreading this rumour, can stop it NOW, unless you can furnish me with evidence to the contrary, meaning names, dates and times and any relevant documents.

[Parry]

I wouldn't worry about it, it's just some silly thing people use to say in the Bateson era and it's obviously stuck.

[Trojan 67]

I wouldn't worry about it, it's just some silly thing people use to say in the Bateson era and it's obviously stuck.

It was being said in the Tony Boyce/Frank O'Farrell era (1967-68) as well. Those who believed it back then stopped attending and regular gates of 9000+ dropped immediately and dramatically.

[eastyorksgull]

LACK OF AMBITION,whether from years ago,or even now,what a load of crap,such a small club as ours,alot of people maybe are jealous at what we are achieving on the pitch over the last few years,personally i take it as a compliment,i know alot of people in this area who support various teams,and all have said,what a great club TUFC is,so you people who are belittling us bring it on,it will make us stronger as a club...simon

[Trojan 67]

LACK OF AMBITION,whether from years ago,or even now,what a load of crap,such a small club as ours,alot of people maybe are jealous at what we are achieving on the pitch over the last few years,personally i take it as a compliment,i know alot of people in this area who support various teams,and all have said,what a great club TUFC is,so you people who are belittling us bring it on,it will make us stronger as a club...simon

I agree.

If we go up then we keep within budget. Any member of staff that doesn't accept the terms of the budget can f*ck off.

If we go up and come straight back down and have stayed within budget, where's the damage besides the disappointment of relegation ?

[Dave]

To be honest Troj me old mate,i have not seen or read any one on this site who has said our club lacks ambition ,or started any rumours stating such a fact.

What there has been is a relevant discussion about Paul Buckle's future as our manager with speculation as to the reasons why he "may" or "may not" be moving on to another club,next season player budget has been put forward as possible main reason,this should not been confused with the club lacking in ambition,there is only so much money at the club,the board have to make what they think is for best long term health of TUFC,the removal of our former c.e.o,and the fact that the club could not get away any longer with out either having to close (which is not an option)or rebuild the grandstand "may" have had a massive impact on the clubs finance's.

The way i see it whether i am right or wrong is simple,the club could go two ways here,they could have taken a risk an tried to put an extra £200k plus into the player budget in the hope that one whoever our manager is,could put a team togehter to maintian our current sucsess,and two our gates would hold up around the 3500-4000 mark.

Our they could do what they appear to be doing,which is tightening the belt to suit our income in a bid to maintian a healthy league 2 club,on the whole i do not think its the clubs fault,however i must be honest and say a large part of me did hope the club would dive in a bit,take a small risk in a bid to kick on to the next level.

I do think a statement of ambition if you like to call it by uping the player budget,would have caught the imagination of local football fans and do think our gates would have held up,however i also realise that the club would need 4000 gates to support such a risk,and if our gates did drop back into the 2000 mark,then it could see the club fall from a great hieght.

Whatever i will still renew my season ticket and along with old the old diehard faces will be at plainmoor doing my best to support,"our"club.

COYY

[eastyorksgull]

I agree.

If we go up then we keep within budget. Any member of staff that doesn't accept the terms of the budget can f*ck off.

If we go up and come straight back down and have stayed within budget, where's the damage besides the disappointment of relegation ?

yeah fair point trojan,thats a different issue that BUDGET word ha ha,but as fans of our great club,am sure we are proud as hell what we have achieved this season,long may it continue,so will say again you lot who are slating us PLEASE carry on :na: :na: :na: :na: :na:

[stefano]

I think with a club of our size it is always likely that people will be saying we lack ambition particularly when we slip away from strong positions. This season which has been a good one we did actually slip away quite badly at the end in that we dropped a whole load of points towards the end and went from challenging for automatic promotion to almost missing out on the play-offs. If you look though at those games where we dropped points nobody could ever accuse the players of lack of effort or trying to lose.

Lack of ambition was as Trojan pointed out a regular accusation in the 1960's particularly as we managed to just miss out on promotion from League 1 a few times, and particularly 1967/68 when we led the division for most of the season only to slip up at the death and finish 4th. No doubt after leading Division 3 (South) in 1956/57 lack of ambition was mentioned when we failed to win on the final day so slipping to 2nd and missing out on promotion to Ipswich Town. If you look at the games though you would struggle to say we deliberately lost any of them.

Off the pitch though is a different matter and as we entered the 1970's the sale of most of our team to Bournemouth who were in the same division and who duly got promoted saw the dramatic drop in attendances which has never recovered to this day.

On the pitch though don't worry about it. Our players will not lose deliberately either the 2nd leg or the final if we get there. They are professionals and will want to win, and in what is a precarious choice of job they always have to keep themselves in the shop window in case they have to move on.

That said if Jake Robinson comes back to defend a corner make sure somebody is marking him!! =D

[Trojan 67]

What there has been is a relevant discussion about Paul Buckle's future as our manager with speculation as to the reasons why he "may" or "may not" be moving on to another club. Next season's player budget has been put forward as a possible main reason. This should not been confused with the club lacking in ambition.

I am pleased you see it that way Dave, as some clearly do not see it that way. I mean, where is the logic of getting this far to then deliberately cock it up ?

First and foremost, we keep within budget. If we have come this far while keeping within budget, then who can say we won't stay up (if we get promoted) while keeping in budget ?

Difficult for sure, but not impossible.

[Dave]

I am pleased you see it that way Dave, as some clearly do not see it that way. I mean, where is the logic of getting this far to then deliberately c**k it up ?

First and foremost, we keep within budget. If we have come this far while keeping within budget, then who can say we won't stay up (if we get promoted) while keeping in budget ?

Difficult for sure, but not impossible.

Agreed,and to honest i am more than 100% confident that no one at our club,not the board,manager or the team will be going out to screw this up,if we fail to make the final or fail to win promotion it will be down to nothing other than our team not being good enough on the day.

[Trojan 67]

I think with a club of our size it is always likely that people will be saying we lack ambition particularly when we slip away from strong positions. This season which has been a good one we did actually slip away quite badly at the end in that we dropped a whole load of points towards the end and went from challenging for automatic promotion to almost missing out on the play-offs. If you look though at those games where we dropped points nobody could ever accuse the players of lack of effort or trying to lose.

Lack of ambition was as Trojan pointed out a regular accusation in the 1960's particularly as we managed to just miss out on promotion from League 1 a few times, and particularly 1967/68 when we led the division for most of the season only to slip up at the death and finish 4th. No doubt after leading Division 3 (South) in 1956/57 lack of ambition was mentioned when we failed to win on the final day so slipping to 2nd and missing out on promotion to Ipswich Town. If you look at the games though you would struggle to say we deliberately lost any of them.

Off the pitch though is a different matter and as we entered the 1970's the sale of most of our team to Bournemouth who were in the same division and who duly got promoted saw the dramatic drop in attendances which has never recovered to this day.

On the pitch though don't worry about it. Our players will not lose deliberately either the 2nd leg or the final if we get there. They are professionals and will want to win, and in what is a precarious choice of job they always have to keep themselves in the shop window in case they have to move on.

That said if Jake Robinson comes back to defend a corner make sure somebody is marking him!! =D

Failure in 1967-68 and the loss of F.O'F to Leicester led directly to the break up of the team, falling gates and relegation.

I'm hoping failure to get promotion, the possible loss of Paul Buckle together with several players does not result in a serious case of deja vu.

[Trojan 67]

Agreed,and to be honest, I am more than 100% confident that no one at our club,not the board,manager or the team will be going out to screw this up.If we fail to make the final or fail to win promotion it will be down to nothing other than our team not being good enough on the day.

Agree. Not being good enough on the day after giving 100% effort I can live with. The consequence of not going up however, may prove to be uncomfortable to stomach.

[Dave]

mean this as a general point troj,what you saying about failer to win promotion is something i warned of on the site just over a week ago,apart from Fletch i was totaly ignored,no suprise that a few have there ears pricked up now.

[HRG]

mean this as a general point troj,what you saying about failer to win promotion is something i warned of on the site just over a week ago,apart from Fletch i was totaly ignored,no suprise that a few have there ears pricked up now.

In all fairness though Forever circumstances have changed. What was just a possibility then of Buckle leaving is looking more likely but this sudden exodus of players to follow him may not happen. I still don't think failure to win promotion is a disaster, a setback but not a disaster. Lets see what happens before anyone starts saying I told you so.

[Dave]

In all fairness though Forever circumstances have changed. What was just a possibility then of Buckle leaving is looking more likely but this sudden exodus of players to follow him may not happen. I still don't think failure to win promotion is a disaster, a setback but not a disaster. Lets see what happens before anyone starts saying I told you so.

To be honest Hrg the circumstances have not changed nor the possibilty of Buckle leaving,it is as high now as it was a week ago,and before that,like i said above i do not see it as the clubs fault,Bucks i am in no doubt would like to see his ambition realised hear at Torquay,it would appear that the club are unable to provide him with the tools,and staying true to own feelings a part me wish's the club would take a bit of a risk and provide Bucks with those tools,however i do understand if the club choose not to.

Oh B,T,W i am in no way saying "i told you so" well not yet anyway