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royalgull wrote:I can understand why Rovers fans would 'expect' to beat Torquay, Cheltenham etc but football is played on grass not a database of crowd size and what league you were in during the 1980's.

Whilst you might 'expect' to beat these sides and 'expect' to be in the top 3 you have pretty much got a completely new squad and management staff and when you have change of that magnitude it can take some time for it all to click into place. Again highlighting how well Buckle did in his first season here when he did exactly the same thing. Being given a budget and the opportunity to build your own squad straight away sounds easy but it doesn't always work that way. Takes time to actually form a team to play the way you want it to.

I do find the Carayol situation bizarre, you guys were raving about him yet he barely plays a minute for you when it matters. I'd pick him inf ront of Zebroski all day long. Was never a fan, a clumsy player with absolutely ZERO skill whose brute force, pace and awkwardness were his major plusses. I could never work out how he was so effective for us, like I said about Branston some players just work at certain clubs. Zebroski is one of those, there is no way his style will work at every club especially where the fanbase would be a) used to seeing hihger calibre players and b) less forgiving of his mistakes.

I still think Rovers will be there or thereabouts simply because they have enough good players for this level at their disposal, whether Buckle utilises them right is a thing for debate and whether he gets the time to do it is another. My flabber would be gasted though having spent so much time, effort and money on getting Buckle that they would bin him so early.
We dont have a devine right to just turn up and beat those sides, but the fact that we pay our players probably twice as much, we have spent more money on the likes of Harrold and Zebs than most sides in this league bar Crawley have spent on their entire squads, but what we do expect at Rovers is passion, workrate and endeavour, the fact that teams we have faced this season have evidently shown more of that than us and the fact that we have been playing atrocious, garbage football is why the fans have turned. We just expect more at Bristol Rovers than what we are getting. Is that our fault? I dont think so, I am sure West Ham fans would expect them to beat Peterbrough, I am sure when Leeds, Forest, Leicester, Southampton, Norwich and now both Sheffield clubs are in the 3rd tier, their fans expected/expect to beat Yeovil. That is just the nature of the beast.

Of course with so many new players coming in, it was always going to be a rebuilding mission and most Gasheads were expecting inconsistency, but of late that hasn't happened, we have been consistent, consistently f*cking shit :) In all fairness I think we have just signed bang average League 2 players and that is being proved, The likes of Harrold, Zebs, Bevan, Stanley, Carayol, McGleish are all League 2 standard players and are playing at there level, which is showing, if we do mount a push towards the right end and do unbelievably mount a promotion push, and we do end up going up then half the squd will have to be on their bikes again because they wont be good enough for the step up. I think us Gasheads got roped into thinking we were signing decent players, from certain other clubs fans, but from what we have seen they have turned out to be bang average. In our sqaud as it is now, I can only see Gill, Anyinsah, Brown and Smith having the ability to play at a higher level.

Carayol is not the only one, Buckle is chopping and changing the whole team, and while we have had a few injury's, Buckles tinkering is having an adverse effect. I do like Carayol in that he can do something with a turn of pace and he has that little bit of magic sometimes, but Buckle has this thing where he likes to play 4 strikers, which **** me off no end. I think if we had Mussy and Anyinsah on both flanks and maybe play Harrold/Mcgleish and Zebs upfront we could be a force, but Buckle likes playing Zebs outwide when he is **** useless out there.

Looking at other clubs and who they are bringing in, I would be surprised that our squad(Unless even more wholsale changes are made) will be near the top 7. Bradford have signed Andrew Davies and Craig Fagan, if they can get them both fit, then that is 2 great signings for this level and they wont be down the bottom for long, Crawley will spend if they need too, Swindon have brought in a lad from West Ham who will be the dogs bollocks in the future, So I honestly dont think we are good enough.

It pains me to say it, as I was optimistic in the summer, but from what I have seen so far our squad is a bang average League 2 outfit.
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BG- Just to take issue with one thing, Ive always thought Zebs looks far more effective playing on the right wing than he did up front. He certainly did for the last season and a half playing here and Im sure Im not the only one that would like him to still be here. He will run all match and offers pretty good cover to the right back as well as turning the opposing left back inside out regularly and being able to cut in and score himself.
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Father Jack wrote:BG- Just to take issue with one thing, Ive always thought Zebs looks far more effective playing on the right wing than he did up front. He certainly did for the last season and a half playing here and Im sure Im not the only one that would like him to still be here. He will run all match and offers pretty good cover to the right back as well as turning the opposing left back inside out regularly and being able to cut in and score himself.

You wouldn't say that if you'd seen him play at Crewe, FJ. He was unplayable that night as a lone targetman. One of the best displays I've ever seen by a player wearing our shirt.
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Father Jack wrote:BG- Just to take issue with one thing, Ive always thought Zebs looks far more effective playing on the right wing than he did up front. He certainly did for the last season and a half playing here and Im sure Im not the only one that would like him to still be here. He will run all match and offers pretty good cover to the right back as well as turning the opposing left back inside out regularly and being able to cut in and score himself.
I cant argue with Zebs workrate, to be fair to the lad he runs his socks off and try's his hardest bless him.

It is just that he seems to not be able to play football. He has got a non existant first touch, he cant run with the ball, when he looks like he has eventually learnt how to, he just runs out of play with the darn thing. He is clumsy and likes to make silly challenges.

I think the term "Bambi On Ice" sums Zebs up to a T.

I just think playing Zebs upfront is a far better option, at least then his awkwardness could be a handful for central defenders, rather than being awkward outwide where he just looks lost. He has got a decent shot on him, which would be better suited in a forward role.

If Buckle decides to do this, then maybe we just might see a performance from him like the one Dave described...Here's hoping :whistle:
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You wouldn't say that if you'd seen him play at Crewe, FJ. He was unplayable that night as a lone targetman. One of the best displays I've ever seen by a player wearing our shirt.
Hate to say it but i wasnt there. I can only go off the matches I saw myself and I always though he brough more to the team on the right wing then when he was up front.

Good result tonight though BG, im sure your forums will still be bitching though ;-)
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Father Jack wrote: Hate to say it but i wasnt there. I can only go off the matches I saw myself and I always though he brough more to the team on the right wing then when he was up front.

Good result tonight though BG, im sure your forums will still be bitching though ;-)
Indeed it was a good result tonight FJ, and it was a fantastic team performance, certainly the best I can remember at home for some while.

When the team was announced you could hear despair from the terraces, Buckle was up to his old tinkering again, You could see people were wondering what the hell is he doing , we had 3 central midfielders in Stuart Campbell, Craig Stanley and Matt Gill, and we had 3 strikers Scott McGleish, Matt Harrold and Scott Rendell, and we were all thinking where is the width going to come from, and this must be the slowest Rovers side to ever represent us.

But I hold my hands up to Buckle, whether it was a stroke of luck, or tactical genius from the bloke, we totally ripped Rotherham to shreds, and passed them to death.

It was a fantastic performance, but I still stand by what I said before, I still think we are lacking in certain areas, and I am not going to get carried away, after the Morecombe game we thought the tide had turned, but we followed that with 2 embarrassing defeats.

If we continue to play like we did tonight though, it is encouraging, and hopefully we can start to string a few wins together.

Edit: Also there was a strange incident for our 5th goal scored by Anyinsah, from where I was stood, it seemed the ball went through the top of the side netting, and then the whole net collapsed, the Rotherham players seemed bemused as they thought the ball went wide aswell. It will be interesting to see the replay on the FL Show tomorrow to see what actually happened up close.
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Hmmm, I'd not get too carried away BG, I followed the game via the BBC (ok, not the most reliable resource, but the only one I have) and they seem to suggest that their keeper has saved precisely zero shots tonight. You've had 5 on target and scored 5 goals. Kudos to you for that, but ordinarily, to my mind, 5 shots on target at home in a match where you concede two and you'd be lucky to get a point. You'll not have many days where everything you hit ends up in the net. You tell me, but from reading the commentary, it seemed second half it was all Rotherham until Branno got himself sent off. I know what happens happens, and I certainly don't seek to take away from any element of what was clearly an excellent result, but it appears from what I have seen that it was more a case of a freak game, rather than total football.

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The truth is that the text does not show the extent of the football.Possession however does and it was 70% us and 30% rotherham. We also had more than 5 shots at goal.We hit the bar,one was cleared off the line,their keeper saved one where we should have scored and to be honest Rotherham were well beaten. Their first goal was totally against the run of play and came as a shock when they scored as they didnt look likely too. Stanley had his best game of the season and we even had the luxury of having Anyinsah and Zebs on the bench.Carayol was not even in the squad. Is this the turning point, I don't know,we shall have to wait and see but it was a damn sight better!!
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ferrarilover wrote:Hmmm, I'd not get too carried away BG, I followed the game via the BBC (ok, not the most reliable resource, but the only one I have) and they seem to suggest that their keeper has saved precisely zero shots tonight. You've had 5 on target and scored 5 goals. Kudos to you for that, but ordinarily, to my mind, 5 shots on target at home in a match where you concede two and you'd be lucky to get a point. You'll not have many days where everything you hit ends up in the net. You tell me, but from reading the commentary, it seemed second half it was all Rotherham until Branno got himself sent off. I know what happens happens, and I certainly don't seek to take away from any element of what was clearly an excellent result, but it appears from what I have seen that it was more a case of a freak game, rather than total football.

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I said it was a fantastic team performance, everybody put a shift in, and we played some good football(Perhaps I was overly pleased because we have seen such dross for over a year) but that was my view.

I didn't count how many shots we had on target, but we hit the bar, and missed some other guit edge chances.

It wasn't total football by any means, we are of course talking about a League 2 fixture here :) , but it was a pleasing performance from my perspective anyway.
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Do we really hate Buckle that much that we are using BBC stats to suggest that Rovers fans who have just witnessed a 5-2 victory and "the best performance in a long time" are kidding themselves??

Sure, I find PB's struggles at BR mildly amusing, but this kind of thing is weak, desperate and makes TUFC fans look fools. Time to move on.
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Fairplay to you, gasfans. Conducting yourself well in a decent debate!

You had a beast of a front line out last night then! A physcial front line, but did you end up hoofing it a bit up to them? That's not a critisism i just want to know how this formation worked as you had already stated there appears to be little or no width to the side that you put out.

And on Stanley, i think he is one of the top central midfield players in this division and he will fit in well, clearly he just needs a bit of time for you, which is strange as he started quite brightly with us.

How has Carayol been performing for you lot as well? Did he warrant being taken out of the squad?
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stevegull wrote:Fairplay to you, gasfans. Conducting yourself well in a decent debate!

You had a beast of a front line out last night then! A physcial front line, but did you end up hoofing it a bit up to them? That's not a critisism i just want to know how this formation worked as you had already stated there appears to be little or no width to the side that you put out.

And on Stanley, i think he is one of the top central midfield players in this division and he will fit in well, clearly he just needs a bit of time for you, which is strange as he started quite brightly with us.

How has Carayol been performing for you lot as well? Did he warrant being taken out of the squad?
When the squad was announced, I was bemused(Along with thousands of other Gasheads), because it seemed such a slow team, with no width, but they all played magnificently and passed and moved the ball on the deck and there was very few long balls. It was very pleasing to see and proves what we can do when we keep the ball on the floor.

Harrold played more of a lone front man, and McGleish was absolutely brilliant, running into the channels and causing Rotherhams defence all sorts of problems. Is he realy 38? Surely not, if he is then he must be Superman.

Rendell played in the hole just behind the strikers, dropping back in midfield to pick up the ball, and looked a real threat in that position. So we played with a 4-3-1-2 formation. It worked well last night but I am not sure we can play that way every game. Anyinsah is a quality player and I think he is to good a player to leave on the bench,Although it is great to have a player like him to bring on if things are not going so well or his pace can put the fear into tiring defences.

I have been very critical of Stanley of late, but fair play to the lad, he was very good last night. I think having him and Stuart Campbell in a midfield 2 is a mistake as they are very similar and dont have the creativity going forward. We have missed Matt Gill immensly, and having him come back in the side after a while out injured was a real bonus, as we now had the creativity which allowed Campbell and Stanley to do what they do, and win the ball and give it to Gill to control the game from the middle of the park.

I like Carayol as he has that abilty to do something with a bit of pace and trickery to change a game, but he is a bit lightweight, and has been a bit hit and miss. If we do play with wingers I would certainly have him above Zebs that's for sure.
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Enzo wrote:Do we really hate Buckle that much that we are using BBC stats to suggest that Rovers fans who have just witnessed a 5-2 victory and "the best performance in a long time" are kidding themselves??
Sure, I find PB's struggles at BR mildly amusing, but this kind of thing is weak, desperate and makes TUFC look fools. Time to move on.
Enzo, total agreement from me. Sadly, there seem to be some very bitter individuals out there who obviously cant let go of the past and move forward.
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Father Jack wrote: Enzo, total agreement from me. Sadly, there seem to be some very bitter individuals out there who obviously cant let go of the past and move forward.
Most footie fans are the same - you can see Cambridge fans lurking on here desperate to see the first 'Ling Out' thread. Fair enough - As I indicated, I have never been that much of a fan of PB and I'd be happy to see Rovers struggle this year (nothing personal BG and Friendly). However, if you ever catch me watching BBC text on a Friday night and using it to try and take the shine off a fan who has just witnessed a decent 5-2 victory then just shoot me please.
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ferrarilover wrote:Hmmm, I'd not get too carried away BG, I followed the game via the BBC (ok, not the most reliable resource, but the only one I have) and they seem to suggest that their keeper has saved precisely zero shots tonight. You've had 5 on target and scored 5 goals. Kudos to you for that, but ordinarily, to my mind, 5 shots on target at home in a match where you concede two and you'd be lucky to get a point. You'll not have many days where everything you hit ends up in the net. You tell me, but from reading the commentary, it seemed second half it was all Rotherham until Branno got himself sent off. I know what happens happens, and I certainly don't seek to take away from any element of what was clearly an excellent result, but it appears from what I have seen that it was more a case of a freak game, rather than total football.

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If only I'd anticipated the sort of old crap Enzo has come out with and made it perfectly clear that I was NOT doing the very thing you suggest...

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