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Do you think adding links to other team's forums would improve the site?

Poll ended at 13 Mar 2012, 22:41

Yes
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No
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19%
 
Total votes: 48

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Not what the people want Louis! You can't argue with 86%, so stop trying to get out of it! He he.

It's about provoking debate and if the links are there, people will browse. It doesn't have to be exclusively our next or previous opponents. I look at other sites all the time as news comes up on BBC etc. I'm sure others do too.

The links would get lost in the matchday threads, never to be seen again a few days after the game.
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To be honest Louis, I have the shots fan's site bookmarked purely for the links to all the forums, could be a way of attracting new vistors to the site.

The reason why I pointed towards the Shreswburys site, having all the links in a drop down box, rather trying to find space across the top for each link might be a better way of doing it, at the moment 80% in favour I would say the I'S have it. :)
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Here is a link to the Barnet site who also have links.

http://www.onlybarnet.com/forum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The way I see it is that if it's not there, everyone loses. If it is there, those who want it have it, those who don't, ignore it. Simples. Why must we continually sail at the speed of the slowest vessel?

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at the moment 80% in favour I would say the I'S have it.
It's not difficult to win an election by a handsome majority when there's only one candidate. The choice before us in this vote was do we support having a blank space or the links to the other clubs sites. Is anyone really surprised that the option of a blank space didn't win ?

Loads of things might have been more popular than an option to a quick link to these sites. But we were given the choice of voting for those links or voting for errr...nothing !

Putin & Mugabe would have admired this 'vote' ;-)
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ferrarilover wrote:The way I see it is that if it's not there, everyone loses. If it is there, those who want it have it, those who don't, ignore it. Simples. Why must we continually sail at the speed of the slowest vessel?Matt.

There's nobody slower than me Matt when it comes to computer thingies and t'internet. In fact it's a miracle i'm on here at all. I know absolutely piss all about nor can comprehend the constructive uses for facebook,twitter, twatter and that thumb symbol that says 'like'. That said, i do feel that Louis suggestion of having a matchday thread link to our opponents forum is a bloody beauty. That would be an invaluable part of the Torquayfans.com matchday experience for me and i support it. It is a much better suggestion than having links to all clubs all the time as i really only want to view what our next opponents / previous opponents are saying about us. Run with it man!
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The people have spoken and been heard. Please see "Handy Links Page" on top right of all pages (except if viewing on mobile: http://torquayfans.com/links.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for you guys).
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Spot on Louis,many thanks.I can tidy up my Farourites now :)
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Good work Louis!
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Brilliant addition - stops me googling through a load of trash before finding them!
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There's nobody slower than me Matt when it comes to computer thingies and t'internet. In fact it's a miracle i'm on here at all. I know absolutely piss all about nor can comprehend the constructive uses for facebook,twitter, twatter and that thumb symbol that says 'like'. That said, i do feel that Louis suggestion of having a matchday thread link to our opponents forum is a bloody beauty. That would be an invaluable part of the Torquayfans.com matchday experience for me and i support it. It is a much better suggestion than having links to all clubs all the time as i really only want to view what our next opponents / previous opponents are saying about us. Run with it man!
And that is your prerogative. But my point is exactly this, by having ALL the links there, those who want to go to a random forum can do so, but those like yourself who want only to visit our next/last opponents can do that equally as easily, just ignore the other links.
This is the argument that (Christian) religious extremists come up with for Sunday trading hours, in so much that shops shouldn't be open on Sundays because holier than thou types don't want to use them on the Sabbath. Right, that's fine, then don't fecking use them, no one holds a gun to the head of the Archbishop of Canterbury and forces him to spend 14 hours every Sunday milling about his local Co-op. Those of us, however, who get to 1800 on a Sunday and realise we have no chicken for tomorrow night's dinner are forced to wait until the morning because the shops are bloody closed. Madness! It doesn't affect those who DON'T go shopping on a Sunday, so why are the rest of us pandering to them?
Possibly in the wrong thread, not massively bothered.

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Sunday trading doesn't seem to be a very contentious issue these days but I remember the religious arguments around the 1994 Sunday Trading Act as almost exclusively relating to the thousands of shop workers who were then being expected by their employers to work on the sabbath .

Whether there were those like Matt who wished to buy chicken on a Sunday & burn in hell as a consequence was a very minor issue.

I'd also disagree that it is or was an argument put forward by Christian extremists. Exodus 35.2 doesn't really mince it's words & there has been a mainstream Christian interpretation to it for centuries.

' For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death'

It's not been Christian extremists who read this as suggesting that working on a Sunday won't be in your best long term interests. At the most I suppose you could claim Christian fundamentalists, but I would have thought that the 'extreme' position for a Christian would have been to have read that & concluded that working on a Sunday had been given the thumbs up.

So the argument doesn't centre around the shoppers at all, they're not the ones who are working. The change in the law resulted in many ordinary working class people being pressurised by their employer to work on the Sabbath. People who didn't believe that on Judgement Day the excuse of ' but I had to go to work because some lazy bastards would have had to go 24 hours without chicken' is likely to cut the mustard with The Almighty.

Anyone who joins a big retailer today goes into it with his or her eyes open, knowing that that line of work may well entail clocking on for a Sunday shift flogging chicken. That wasn't the case for thousands of ordinary people 2 or 3 decades ago who worked hard for 6 days but who's religious beliefs & reading of the bible meant they opposed Sunday trading. Mind you they couldn't have guessed that by 2012 such views would have seen them labelled as Christian extremists either.
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Without the workers, the shoppers have nowhere to shop, so it's an equally valid argument from that standpoint.

As for the idea that we should have to go without shops on a Sunday based on a fictitious, 2000 year old fairytale about a bloke who lives on a cloud, well, can all right thinking people not automatically see the complete and abject lack of merit here?

As for the whole, pressurised to work on the Sabbath argument, this goes right to the very heart of my point. Now that we have legislation to prevent shops opening on Sundays (or, more so that it prevents people from working on a Sunday), those who are right minded and see Sunday as just another day of the week, and not some divine day of sloth imposed by the geezer with the long white beard, might well want to work full hours on a Sunday; if for no reason other than they need the money. Good luck explaining to Barclays that your mortgage payment will be late this month because someone else somewhere fears what St Peter might say upon your arrival at the Pearly Gates.
Religion has no place in a modern society and to impose restrictions based upon it's provisions upon something as fundamental to our day to day lives as being able to go shopping on a Sunday is crazy.
Pro-choice is ALWAYS the better option than restrictive legislation. If weird beards don't want to work on a Sunday then fine, good luck to them, but there are plenty of people who live in the real world of mortgages and children and sports cars who might well need to work on a Sunday to make up their hours. Or those who simply don't give a toss whether it's a Sunday, a Monday or Christmas Day, they are happy to work because they have zero interest in a children's book two millennia old. If Church goers wish not to shop or work on Sundays, that's fine, I respect that choice, just as they should respect the choice of the rest of us to continue our lives as normal, on a Sunday. But of course, they don't. They do what all these minority types do and whinge and moan and kick up a fuss until finally, the rest of us have to suffer just to appease them and their silly little fantasy about everlasting happiness and all the ice cream and puppies they can eat.

Spineless, weak, pathetic governance to allow this to happen and when I am Prime Minister, it will be the first law I shall repeal.

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ferrarilover wrote: And that is your prerogative. But my point is exactly this, by having ALL the links there, those who want to go to a random forum can do so, but those like yourself who want only to visit our next/last opponents can do that equally as easily, just ignore the other links.
This is the argument that (Christian) religious extremists come up with for Sunday trading hours, in so much that shops shouldn't be open on Sundays because holier than thou types don't want to use them on the Sabbath. Right, that's fine, then don't fecking use them, no one holds a gun to the head of the Archbishop of Canterbury and forces him to spend 14 hours every Sunday milling about his local Co-op. Those of us, however, who get to 1800 on a Sunday and realise we have no chicken for tomorrow night's dinner are forced to wait until the morning because the shops are bloody closed. Madness! It doesn't affect those who DON'T go shopping on a Sunday, so why are the rest of us pandering to them?Possibly in the wrong thread, not massively bothered.

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You are probably going to get a very good wedge for being a lawyer. But I do wonder whether you will practice in the world where money is no bar or whether you will practice in the not for profit sector or for those who have no voice.
You probably wouldn't have any qualms going to your local Tesco's on a Sunday because you forgot you chicken. although if you did forget the chicken that late you deserve to go hungry.
But I have first hand experience and knowledge of what opening that extra day has on families. Yes the shopper loves it but most of the time they are not the ones who have to go without a day off the the family,.
Those of us who worked for one of the organisations who decided they wanted to open Sundays made sure that the staff were available to work whether they want to or not.
Don't qoute me on the law. I know that it's illegal to make people work on a Sunday. But they have ways around it.
You either work or find another job. Work or no overtime. Work or Others will get perks where you don't. I can go on and on citing loads of excuses and pressure on workers who have been made to work Sundays just to pander to the bosses need to put as much money in his pocket, etc. I have been there. done it, Got the T shirt. got the mug.
Yes there we people who wanted to work. But a lot didn't and they were not given a choice.
You might call those who don't want unconditional shopping etc religeous terrorists but I find your argument just as biased. I can imagine that if you were then placed in power you would make all religion illegal. Those who followed a thought based idea would be goaled. Big brother would be following us to make sure we followed what you think is right for society.
There are just as many would find you as much of a Zealot or Terrorist as you call them as you think those who follow a belief. I wonder what the Jews would make of your thoughts. or the Mormons. or Catholics etc. society in the West is based on Tolerance. I find your prose more than a lot less than Tolerant. And that is the problem with what you propose.
Your argument would be that religion has caused more wars than anything else. My argument would be that others who are intoloerant have caused more wars the religeon. It's lack of tolerance of any other belief than your own that has caused more wars.
Hitlet caused the biggest through trying to force his beliefs on the world like the Japenese did at the same time. The Balkans have for almost centuries been a force for war based on lack of tolerance for others beliefs. The present Middle East conflict is so also based.
Please try to have a little more tolerance for what others believe before you vent your spleen
By the way, if you bother to read your history properly That fictitious bloke you talk of, He did actualy exist. It's up to you as to whether you believe his claims or not. But he is written about in numerous history books by The Romans and many more. They didn't make him up.. If people want to believe he is who he said he was that is up to them, But I for one would never say to them that they have no right to believe it or to impose my beliefs on them.
And as for the original argument. Yes we have to live in the real world. But you are probably going to be insulated from that as you wouldn't know what it is to be that low in society that you don't know where you next meal is coming from. I really have been there. And it doesn't do any of those of us who get trapped there to be worked to the point where we can't think properly for exhaustion.
If I get the money for a day out to see the gulls or more then I am indeed lucky. But I haven't had a decent holiday for 3 years and the last one was due to some ones elses decency who saw how very near the edge we both were after working so hard we didn't know where we were.
Being trapped in a business world that would say tough luck old bean. But there is no support if your disabled you either work till you drop or go bust.(I work self emplyed because I am disabled. There is no support for us at all). I do what I have to do. I don't preach to others. I sometimes even like the work when people are decent with us even if we still have no money. I can't even put my car back on the road untill things really improve so have to do without. Your idea of society says I have no right to believe what we want. just work till we drop. Repeal the law as you would want to do will put many in the looney bin. it's just not right to work 7 days a week or healthy and a day off together with the family is really needed if the family is to function as it should.
For one supposedly so intelligent I am surprised you can't see that.
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Post by yellow »

I am pleased to see that this thread has been unlocked (which it was this morning). It seemed over-zealous moderation to lock it.

And maybe moderation and zealousness are at the heart of the points being made about Sunday trading.

I guess that anyone born after 1974 knows no different and will see things in a different light to the old codgers who remember it as a day of rest.

Still at least we saw England win the World Cup (on a Saturday)!
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