forevertufc wrote:Also we must remember that it is Matlock who have come out an said TUFC have had abid turned down for the player,apart from Paul Buckle confirming to the local rag he is tracking Ross hannah our club have made no stsatements to either confirm or deny that any bid has been made.
Untill our club comes out and says,any deal to sign Ross Hannah is dead,this will disscusion will run.
Matlock's chairman has said a deal has being rejected and Ross Hannah remains a Matlock player along with the highly credible non league paper.
Plus did PB come out and say anything or was that taken from this forum ?
12345 wrote:
Matlock's chairman has said a deal has being rejected and Ross Hannah remains a Matlock player along with the highly credible non league paper.
Plus did PB come out and say anything or was that taken from this forum ?
Yes he has said ,it is in the link to our local paper.
12345 wrote:
Hannah is more valuable to the club right now than say 20K is and as Matlock are a club that are doing all right financially (new stand and clubhouse etc...) then this is the wisest move for them right now.
I think this is the crux of the matter in all honesty.
If Matlock were comfortably sat in mid table with nothing left to play for then I'm sure a deal could be agreed at a "sensible" price as generally no club wants to stand in the way of a player who wants to better himself - and that ha scertainly always been true of our club in transfer dealings and I'm sure the people at Matlock are no different. The "problem" though is that clearly they are in a strong position (2nd) in their league and they need Hannah to stay and help get them promoted (probably via the play offs) - so a "reasonable" offer probably isn't going to tempt them it would need to be a silly one as the financial benefits of promotion probably outweigh any "one off" transfer fee.
Unfortuantely we cannot sign him and loan him back - that option ended when the transfer window closed at the beginning of February - so we either loan him now and put a permanent deal in place .... or we wait until the summer when he is a free agent. No doubt other clubs will come sniffing then, but hopefully we have made a good impression on him in his brief trial here and he will end up here having cost the club nothing in terms of a transfer fee. Persoanlly I think this is the only way we are likely to get him now - unless the player himself pushes for a move now, which looks unlikely given that he has been there a good while and presumably has a good relationship with the club.
12345 wrote:
He has not signed a deal as proclaimed by the thread though and since as far as we know Torquay haven't come back and made an offer then right now there isn't much to talk about it would seem but if Aden Flint can move from Alfreton for 150K then i don't see why Hannah who has scored over 70 goals in two seasons and is a vital part of Matlock's squad should move on for as little as 20K.
If a championship side came in for one of your players and offered a small amount of cash because he wasn't tested at that level then i'm sure you wouldn't be over the moon about it, football is about taking risks and giving a player a chance in a higher up division is a risk.
Doesn't make it right, Flint should be the exception not the rule. The non-league demanding extortionately high fees could damage smaller league teams, leaving them unable to compete for players.
Really though, and again, with the greatest respect to Matlock Town and the level at which they play, how much is promotion likely to be worth? I can hardly see 200 or so pitching up for an Evo-Stik league match and thousands more for the division above. It's not as if a great deal will change with a single promotion. An extra 50 fans would represent a 25% increase in supporters, that's hardly going to draw in £1000s/week for the club is it. Equally, prize money, prestige etc isn't really going to increase by making the almost completely anonymous step from Evo-Stik to Evo-Stik+1. As I say, I mean absolutely no disrespect to MTFC or their level, which, after all, is not a million miles below ours, but I just cannot see how the they can be discussing similar figures for their guy to us as our guy Benyon to L1 Swindon Town. Yeah, fine, he's all very good at Evo-Stik level, but his signing by a Football League club would still represent a massive gamble. For every Charlie Austin, there are probably dozens or scores of names which simply do not make it and for a club in L2 to take a £150,000 punt, especially given the current climate of clubs as large as Portsmouth coming within minutes of going to the wall, is madness.
Matt.
On an unrelated note, 12345, we generally take a considerably less militant view on here than your moderators seem to on your board. We only lock threads as a very last resort, not simply because our board staff do not like the direction a thread may be taking.
ferrarilover wrote:Really though, and again, with the greatest respect to Matlock Town and the level at which they play, how much is promotion likely to be worth? I can hardly see 200 or so pitching up for an Evo-Stik league match and thousands more for the division above. It's not as if a great deal will change with a single promotion. An extra 50 fans would represent a 25% increase in supporters, that's hardly going to draw in £1000s/week for the club is it. Equally, prize money, prestige etc isn't really going to increase by making the almost completely anonymous step from Evo-Stik to Evo-Stik+1. As I say, I mean absolutely no disrespect to MTFC or their level, which, after all, is not a million miles below ours, but I just cannot see how the they can be discussing similar figures for their guy to us as our guy Benyon to L1 Swindon Town. Yeah, fine, he's all very good at Evo-Stik level, but his signing by a Football League club would still represent a massive gamble. For every Charlie Austin, there are probably dozens or scores of names which simply do not make it and for a club in L2 to take a £150,000 punt, especially given the current climate of clubs as large as Portsmouth coming within minutes of going to the wall, is madness.
Matt.
On an unrelated note, 12345, we generally take a considerably less militant view on here than your moderators seem to on your board. We only lock threads as a very last resort, not simply because our board staff do not like the direction a thread may be taking.
You do not seem as 100% this is going to happen as you were yesterday Matt, do you know anything further??
He has not signed a deal as proclaimed by the thread though and since as far as we know Torquay haven't come back and made an offer then right now there isn't much to talk about it would seem but if Aden Flint can move from Alfreton for 150K then i don't see why Hannah who has scored over 70 goals in two seasons and is a vital part of Matlock's squad should move on for as little as 20K.
If a championship side came in for one of your players and offered a small amount of cash because he wasn't tested at that level then i'm sure you wouldn't be over the moon about it, football is about taking risks and giving a player a chance in a higher up division is a risk.[/quote]
Doesn't make it right, Flint should be the exception not the rule. The non-league demanding extortionately high fees could damage smaller league teams, leaving them unable to compete for players.[/quote]
Still you wouldn't want to sell your best players for peanuts same as any other clubs wouldn't.
ferrarilover wrote:Really though, and again, with the greatest respect to Matlock Town and the level at which they play, how much is promotion likely to be worth? I can hardly see 200 or so pitching up for an Evo-Stik league match and thousands more for the division above. It's not as if a great deal will change with a single promotion. An extra 50 fans would represent a 25% increase in supporters, that's hardly going to draw in £1000s/week for the club is it. Equally, prize money, prestige etc isn't really going to increase by making the almost completely anonymous step from Evo-Stik to Evo-Stik+1. As I say, I mean absolutely no disrespect to MTFC or their level, which, after all, is not a million miles below ours, but I just cannot see how the they can be discussing similar figures for their guy to us as our guy Benyon to L1 Swindon Town. Yeah, fine, he's all very good at Evo-Stik level, but his signing by a Football League club would still represent a massive gamble. For every Charlie Austin, there are probably dozens or scores of names which simply do not make it and for a club in L2 to take a £150,000 punt, especially given the current climate of clubs as large as Portsmouth coming within minutes of going to the wall, is madness.
Matt.
On an unrelated note, 12345, we generally take a considerably less militant view on here than your moderators seem to on your board. We only lock threads as a very last resort, not simply because our board staff do not like the direction a thread may be taking.
It would likely make Matlock more than 20K (if thats what Torquay are offering) over the course of a season so i would say that Matlock are doing the right thing holding on to Hannah for now and seeing what other bids come about but it's always good when football league clubs are interested in your players as it shows that you are doing something right.
I believe that the threads on the MTFC forum were locked down to the fact that the info given was wrong which it has proved to be so is a bit pointless discussing something that wasn't true.
Is Hannah worth upwards of £50k? Well, i wonder if Swindon think Charlie Austin was worth the gamble they took on him...? Any player is 'worth' what someone is prepared to pay for them.
Matlock are entitled to ask what they want. They certainly don't appear desperate to do a deal, and are quite sensibly assessing the pro's and con's of doing a deal at this time. They don't appear strapped for cash, and there are obvious advantages to them keeping him. The longer they hold on, the closer they get to promotion, and the more desperate the chasing clubs become (obviously not wanting to be involved in a free for all in the summer).
It seems the only way Hannah will leave now is if someone is prepared to take a big risk on a pretty significant fee. My guess is that kind of gamble is beyond us.
If someone else is prepared to 'make them an offer they can't refuse' he'll go. If not, he'll have his choice of destinations in the summer. And i very much doubt we'll be the most inviting proposition.
I wonder if Steve Evans is aware of this fella...
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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something."
But you can't expect transfer fees similar to those in the league or conference, if at three divisions below the Football League £20k is peanuts and £150k is reasonable, there won't be many clubs left in a few years time.
HRG wrote:But you can't expect transfer fees similar to those in the league or conference, if at three divisions below the Football League £20k is peanuts and £150k is reasonable, there won't be many clubs left in a few years time.
Any football club which is run in a proper manor can not afford to just sell it's players off and as Fonda has said "Any player is 'worth' what someone is prepared to pay for them." and they are likely to be more people in for him than Torquay so we shall.
HRG wrote:But you can't expect transfer fees similar to those in the league or conference, if at three divisions below the Football League £20k is peanuts and £150k is reasonable, there won't be many clubs left in a few years time.
Swindon signed Austin from Poole. He recently made them £1m. Matlock are a small club. So what will this money do for them? Nobody is forcing anyone to pay anything, but they are well within their rights to ask what they want. I rather wish we'd done something similar in June (when we were in an even stronger position of having a tribunal to fall back on). Why should they give away their best asset? It's their risk to take. Either it pays off, and someone gives them what they want, or they lose him for free. They're entitled to take that gamble.
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something."
Guys, just to be clear, my confidence on this signing is based on my trust in Dave to post only stone cold gold information and the source from whom he gets his information.
As for the money Matlock appear to be asking, while I do not blame them for holding out for a good price, they need to accept that they will get absolutely nothing for him three months from now. Teams are not stuid, they will take their chances if they think they can save £150,000, there are plenty of other fish in the sea and, while this chap is obviously very talented, he is not so special as to warrent spunking hundreds of thousands of pounds on.
I know I said I was excited, but honestly guys, Stanley, Robinson, Oastler and one other, or Hannah on his own?
Matt.
12345, I don't want to turn this into a fight, but the whole reason forums exist is to allow debate and opinon a place to be seen on the internet, if you want facts and nothing but facts, might I suggest applied mathematics, short of this, life ain't nothin' but a series of opinions linked by periods of sleep, eating and sex.
ferrarilover wrote:12345, I don't want to turn this into a fight, but the whole reason forums exist is to allow debate and opinon a place to be seen on the internet, if you want facts and nothing but facts, might I suggest applied mathematics, short of this, life ain't nothin' but a series of opinions linked by periods of sleep, eating and sex.
As i pointed out the thread was started on something that hasn't turned out to be entirely true which is why i am saying this is a debate on nothing currently but we shall see.
