PSF thread: Torquay v Yeovil (16/7/13)

brucie · Post by **brucie** » 16 Jul 2013, 23:21

Say what you like about Howe but Rendell is and never will be in the same class. Yes Howe may have signed for Burton but Rendell has found his level and thats Conference. As someone else said he would be the first disappointing signing - lets hope its just a trial and not taken any further.

Modgull · Post by **Modgull** » 16 Jul 2013, 23:38

Not long got back from the game. Difficult to draw any definite conclusions from such a friendly. Naturally, there are a number of players who are some way short of match fitness and all were a little ring-rusty.

In the first 15 minutes we competed quite well but then Yeovil took control and for much of the first half we were chasing shadows - Harding made little impression, Cruise was consistently beaten by his opposite number and Cooper appeared to be too short to deal with Ngoo.

Up front Rendell looked unfit and made little impression. Benyon ran hard and had one fierce shot but that was all. Cameron had a couple of good runs but Bodin again flattered to deceive. If only he weave his magic where it hurts the opposition!

The big pluses were Downes (my MOTM), Tonge and Rice. Mansell was his usual energetic self but his main contributions were defensive rather than creative.

The change players all did well although they only had to play the Yeovil second string. But Thompson looked very quick on the right wing and was very threatening, Chapple did well on the left and scored when their big centre back fell over as the ball came to him leaving Chapple to draw the keeper and fire in. Lathrope and Craig certainly enjoyed their contributions putting pressure on Yeovil and forcing them to play in their own half. This led to a second mistake for Sullivan's goal. And, by God, didn't he take it well - made the keeper look a right wally!

Nicho shored up the left flank when he came on but I was a little disappointed with Yeoman. Kirtys McKenzie looked the real deal at the back but by then the Yeovil threat had been removed by their own changes. Cooper looked more assured as the match wore on.

All in all a good run out with still a number of questions unanswered - who will lead the attack, who can control midfield and who will partner Downes at the back?

But it has to be said that Yeovil have far more issues to address than us at this stage!

Post by **Trojan 67** » 16 Jul 2013, 23:54

ferrarilover wrote: The combination of Craig and Thompson drove their back line wild. They simply couldn't cope with Nathan's accuracy combined with Tommo's speed.
Matt.

Why I am I not surprised ?

leetufc · Post by **leetufc** » 17 Jul 2013, 00:04

Mattpuma wrote: Scott Rendell 22 FOOTBALL LEAGUE goals
Rene Howe 56 FOOTBALL LEAGUE goals.

Statistics are fun aren't they Matt?

Conference is Rendells level.

If you're going to comment on somebody else's statistics get your own right first (hopefully my calculations are also correct!)

Rendell has 34 league goals according to Soccerbase - 4 for Peterborough, 12 for us, 15 for Wycombe and 3 for Oxford.

I think Scott would be a useful addition to the squad - not an out and out replacement for Rene but I doubt we're in the position to get a known prolific striker to join us - and he's known to the club and works well with Elliot.

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 17 Jul 2013, 00:13

Mattpuma wrote:
Scott Rendell 22 FOOTBALL LEAGUE goals
Rene Howe 56 FOOTBALL LEAGUE goals.

Statistics are fun aren't they Matt?

Conference is Rendells level.

Howe 56 FL goals in 176 FL apps. Rendell 34 FL goals in 83 FL apps. Howe gets one FL goal every 3.14 games, Rendell gets one every 2.44 games. Rendell has scored in the Championship, Rene hasn't. Rene has 50 bookings and 2 reds in his 194 games, Rendell has 19 yellows and no reds in the same number.

Scotty has more career goals, more FL goals, a better goal average, a better disciplinary record and his maths is better than yours.

Remind me again about this superstar, Rene something or another and please, tell me all about this Conference level rubbish, Scotty Rendell...

Matt.

Post by **Trojan 67** » 17 Jul 2013, 00:25

I'm really pleased for Danny Sullivan. When he came on late in the game, I thought by the time he's got his second wind the game will be over.

Happy chappy Chapell takes advantage of dreadful Yeovil defending, 1-0

We think it's all over ?

More atrocious defending from Yeovil presents Danny Sullivan with an opportunity.

One dummy on the 'keeper then another and another - 2-0

It is now.

Mattpuma · Post by **Mattpuma** » 17 Jul 2013, 00:30

Hands up I was wrong it is 34 which is still less than 56

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How convenient for you to discount substitute appearances to make your stats look better, disagree with these if you can.

Last 3 seasons league appearances RENDELL 102 HOWE 108 ( so much for the suspension issue!)
Last 3 seasons league goals RENDELL 26 HOWE 35
Goals per appearance RENDELL 0.25 HOWE 0.32.

Irrespective of stats in my opinion Rendell offers nothing BUT goals whereas Howe holds the ball up superbly and brings other players into the game.
There are better strikers than Rendell, if Luton dont want him in the conference why would he be good enough for League 2.

Post by **Trojan 67** » 17 Jul 2013, 00:46

What me made me chuckle at the game was when one Popside comedian said that Courtney Cameron (with his coconut hairstyle) looked like a smaller, slimmer version of Rene. This made me . . . . .

Looked like, not played like.

I do like my wingers. Sometimes there are exceptions.

Again, a Popside comedian said if Danny Stevens had another 9" on him I wouldn't be so critical.

I replied, if I had another 9" on me I'd be a porn star.

Post by **Colorado Gull** » 17 Jul 2013, 08:07

Was surprised when someone told me Rendell was playing and on trail for us, is he really the answer? No is the simple answer. With all due respect to him, he is no replacement for Rene Howe. He did a couple good things last night, but nothing that was up to standard. He is a Conference player and football league's not for him. No, I'm not just making that judgement from yesterdays friendly. I personally thought he didn't have the greatest time here last time, he's an OK footballer, but with the side that we are becoming, with the signings Knill has got already, by losing our top striker, we need more than just an OK footballer.

In other news, we look like a really good side at the moment. We look very solid and was very impressed with the defence last night, especially from Downes. Good quality goals, although we got a little bit lucky with the second one. One thing that we can take from this game? We need a striker.

leetufc · Post by **leetufc** » 17 Jul 2013, 08:31

Last time Rendell played two full seasons in league 2 he bagged 12 goals for us and 15 for Wycombe - a pretty similar record to Howe over the last two years when you take out his penalties.

He offers more than a goal threat, he does hold up the play and he links well with Benyon if we're playing two up top.

He's possibly not quite the player Howe is, admittedly, but we're going to struggle to get someone in who is as good as Howe with a proven league 2 record - there aren't many out there and most will have offers that are better than those we can offer - part of the reason we've lost Howe in the first place.

Whilst Rendell would not be ground breaking - we know he can do a job.

It's strange people getting excited by Chappell and Cameron (who I do think could be good signings) when they have no proven record in this league other than a few loan games, whilst being disheartened by Rendell, who has played and had relative success before at our level.

Yellow4life · Post by **Yellow4life** » 17 Jul 2013, 09:05

Both the trialists didn't really stand out for me yesterday. I was shocked and had a great feeling of the amount of pace we now have in the team. Pace is the key to counter attacking football which we seem to be using this season.

Rendell did nothing but pass to a yeovil player, he was disappointing considering I was one the first to ask to bring him back- potentially. He will be ok as a back up player, but I think it is worth keeping him on trial for another chance. Perhaps the loan striker that has been spoken of is Howe's replacement and Rendell would replace Jarvis in the attacking options.

royalgull · Post by **royalgull** » 17 Jul 2013, 10:19

Rendell took and scored a lot of penalties for Wycombe which seems to have been forgotten yet is labelled against Howe.

totally different type of players, despite his height Rendell is worse in the air than Buddy Holly, The big Bopper and Glenn Miller and his Orchestra. However I liked him during his first spell, I kind of agree with Danny, he's an OK footballer, would go missing for quite a bit of the game but more often than not would also pop up with a goal. He has good work rate, and is good in and around the box. As a backup/squad player I wouldn't be too disappointed with Rendell but also being realistic can we afford him to just be that? We already have yeoman and Sullivan, you can discuss their particular merits at this stage but that is still 2 forward on the wage bill that could be used as backup. Could we afford a senior backup striker + a new starting centre forward as well as a new cnetre half? i honestly don't know.

My gut feeling this time around is I don't know if Rendell will be anymore than a squad player, Jarvis is quite a good comparison, not really good enough to play 46 games as a front line stirker but if needed for cameos and spells in the side could do a job. Where i would also have concerns is the fact he was withdrawn after less than an hour, I'm reading into that the same as Fonda that Knill had seen enough. Granted he may not have had much football but he would have trained with Luton, similar to ourselves and from the sounds of it and the evidence of such an early withdrawl for a trialist would suggest he was off the pace big time. Surely if you have a trial player in you want as good a look at them as possible unless you've decided that early one way or the other.

brucie · Post by **brucie** » 17 Jul 2013, 10:49

Yes one would hope that Knill has seen enough. In fact I don't reckon that Rendell is an Alan Knill type player really ie doesn't move around alot, can't head the ball and scores most of his goals from about one yard out. As a back up striker he is nowhere near as good as Jarvis let alone Howe. For all his faults trying to use statistics to compare Rendell with Howe is daft. He just isn't in the same class.

Yellow4life · Post by **Yellow4life** » 17 Jul 2013, 10:54

I am not comparing them, I am saying he is a replacement in the way of squad number. He is our potential new striker after we lost one(that's howe).

Tavistock Bruce · Post by **Tavistock Bruce** » 17 Jul 2013, 11:21

I do think Rendell is a better footballer than Jarvis. Both are capable of hard work and of the two and the way the team seems to be being set up I think Rendell may be the better proposition. There is no point trying to compare Rendell to Howe they are very different types of players and if we want a Howe play alike - it won't be Rendell.

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