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What was Rene supposed to do ? Defy the laws of gravity ...? He's is a big fella and he could hardly stop himself as the Accy player got the ball. I certainly could not see him "waiting for the man to get the ball then stamp on him". It was a tussle with both players going into it. Obviously in this day and age any physical contact results in a card and the theatrics of the Accy player slapping the grass didn't help. Jeez Rooney did stamp on a player in a recent prem again and wasn't so much as booked.

The commentator saying that Howe "was nowhere near the ball" well obviously not as the Accy player got the ball forcing Howe to fall over. The ball moves ! Again perhaps the ball could have defied gravity and stopped. The incident all happens in a matter of seconds. Rene is chasing the ball but the defender slides in and wins it forcing the big fella over while the ball won in the challenge continues on its way out of play.

Bring back Dave Caldwell !!

Watch rene's right leg and where it goes. I'm glad the majority see it as a red card too, I thought I was in the minority!

Dutchgull wrote:What was Rene supposed to do ? Defy the laws of gravity ...? He's is a big fella and he could hardly stop himself as the Accy player got the ball. I certainly could not see him "waiting for the man to get the ball then stamp on him". It was a tussle with both players going into it. Obviously in this day and age any physical contact results in a card and the theatrics of the Accy player slapping the grass didn't help. Jeez Rooney did stamp on a player in a recent prem again and wasn't so much as booked.

The commentator saying that Howe "was nowhere near the ball" well obviously not as the Accy player got the ball forcing Howe to fall over. The ball moves ! Again perhaps the ball could have defied gravity and stopped. The incident all happens in a matter of seconds. Rene is chasing the ball but the defender slides in and wins it forcing the big fella over while the ball won in the challenge continues on its way out of play.

Bring back Dave Caldwell !!

So you agree then, it was a red?

Rene thinks it was a red, he admits as much on Twitter.

I think that ends the arguement!

No attempt on the ball other than that of the Accy player who presented them on a plate...Do that outside the pub and you're in trouble :slap:
Ref was bang on - Clear red card

Would love to know exactly what their player said to get sent off so quickly? - must have been well tasty!

Anyone who still thinks Howe shouldn't have been sent off should look at this picture.

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Doesn't look 'accidental' to me.

And if that had happened the other way round in front of the Pop .... and no red?

Ouch! Guilty as charged your honour.

I was thinking there might have been an element of him just being too slow in the tackle, but it's obvious from that picture that he went for it!

What a ridiculous sending off, I just can't see why he would tackle like that in that area of the pitch? Someone mentioned it elsewhere, but I can't help but think Rene fancied a Christmas break.....

i wasn't at the game, but stills photos always make those things look worse - having said that, i'm not defending the challenge. it wasn't good, and deserved the red.

i don't know if there is any history between Howe and the recipient of his lunge, or if anything happened during the game before that challenge, but i find it very frustrating that he's done that. having gone through a fair share of clubs, and never settled anywhere, Howe has publicly stated how much he's enjoying life at Torquay, and has been playing really well - he's become a major component in the way we play, he then goes and lets everyone down - himself, the manager, team mates, fans etc etc.

the yellow army have got behind you from day 1 and will continue to do so, so take a look at yourself Rene, appreciate the opportunity TUFC has presented you, and don't let it happen again. i expect a hatrick upon your return !!

Case closed, not that I ever had any doubts myself.

It still doesn't show a deliberate act but even without that it was a definite red, unfortunate and I hope Winnard doesn't suffer any lasting effects.

I was all for defending Rene and saying it was a yellow. The pic is hard to argue with.

Think it was unavoidable to be honest. There lad came in from behind to tackle Howe as he was going forward and Howe's clearly accidently caught him due to the way the Accy lad went in to tackle him..

Alex, he didn't come in from behind and he didn't tackle Howe either. He slid in to play the ball before Howe got there.

Seen it once on the televison and I didn't see anything. It did not even look a foul to me.

That confirms it then, definite red

Just seen it, no argument from me, few seasons ago he may have got away with a yellow card, now thats a red card all day long.

What makes it worse for me, is you can see the Accy player is going to get the ball first, and looks as if Rene has time to pull out of the challenge, if he had it's a throw in to us, and still 11.v.11 with every chance of getting back in the game.