Is Hargreaves fit for purpose?

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forevertufc wrote: Incorrect in my view. Nothing wrong in delivering an honest assessment as to how the game has gone, no manager should come out and say half my players aren't good enough and most will be gone in the summer with 15 games still to play, end of. A skilful manager keeps that to himself.

No wonder the players don't respect CH and play like they want to be somewhere else, what do we or the manager expect when he says things like that in public, but hey, he's told us fans as far as this seasons concerned it's over, done and finished, so who can blame any fan for not bothering now, lets hope we do stay in the Trophy now.
To be fair to CH, he did say before the Braintree defeat that the club could push for the play offs. Just a shame that after the Braintree defeat all the players suddenly became 'rubbish' , a 'disgraceful' referee cost them in another game and then Ajala was solely 'to blame' for the draw against Alfreton! :clap: :rofl:

He says a different thing every week depending on how it's gone on the pitch. What's the betting Hemel Hempstead get knocked for 6 and he comes out with 'this team are winners'? Somehow i prefer 'it felt like a win'.

What i see is man struggling with his new job and i'm sure everyone can understand this , what i also see is a man who i don't feel is being true to himself. I don't feel he is willing to take 100% of the flak for bad results and performances always seeking an excusable soundbite with the ultimate goal of self preservation. Most managers do adopt this approach to be fair but nobody ever believes the bullshit unless they are a bit simple. Yes you can say the players have let him down and this and that but he is the gaffer and he is where the buck stops.

The silly thing is, he can blame who he wants but if things go totally tits up he'll still get the chop regardless. Is it not better to foster a positive all in it together approach like the board should have done soon after relegation but failed to do so? Like Dave says, fans will still turn up if they feel he and the players are at least putting it all in to move forwards. As it is now i'm guessing it all feels like they have thrown in the towel and and if you can still part with the money to watch the 2nd most expensive team in the conference go through the motions then it is YOU who will be the ones most satisfied when Torquay pull through this mess and regain their league status.

I say when but at the moment it's probably an if, and a big one at that.

I'll leave the decision making to you lot. Starting with joining the trust and beginning to take some control back off the totally inept board. Maybe in the long term also being in a position to helping give Thea a break both personally and financially because she must be feeling the strain too. She of all people deserves some support for once, she has been totally failed by those around her and TUFC need another short term option if things get desperate to keep the club afloat and to give some help to Thea.
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RussianGull wrote:Super, you're right there. The worst moment of the season for me was stood in the terrace at Alfreton when Richards started as a CB, the world and their dog knows he was too small and incapable of playing there, why on earth nothing was done we will never know. Playing a back three would have even been preferable if he didn't have confidence in young Hutchings.
thanks russiangull.

absolutely shocking decision - for me it was a "turn up, play anyone, anywhere in the starting XI and we will win".......... :@

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SuperNickyWroe wrote: i think that some posters on here thought he was a bad choice as manager. thats the annoying thing. the key thing was maintaining our league status.

and theres was no way that was going to happen with CH as manager.
Yep I was one of those who doubted his appointment. He blagged the job in my opinion and has had plenty of time to instill a style of play but we've had a conveyor belt of players last season who failed to keep us up. He's then had the summer to bring in players and he looks out of his depth. We now have the situation where he's openly saying some players aren't good enough. Man Management at its finest.

The crowds will continue to drop as people switch off from the endless supply of dross from TUFC. It's been three years of poor form now. Something has to give and ST holders will decide not to renew in the summer. Me being one of them.
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It seems pretty inconceivable that what CH said in public yesterday he hasn't said already to the team.
If those "under-performing" players have any sense they should be giving their all in order to secure continued football employment next season.
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nickbrod wrote:It seems pretty inconceivable that what CH said in public yesterday he hasn't said already to the team.
If those "under-performing" players have any sense they should be giving their all in order to secure continued football employment next season.
You would think so, but it's almost as if they can't be bothered. CH has lost the dressing room, and can the club afford this to carry on until the end of the season. Either get rid of CH(of which they can't afford) or for CH to drop them all and play the fringe players who you think will give it there best shot. It's a mess and quite frankly the frustration amongst those fans at the game yesterday was evident
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It appears that this is the lowest league position in our history?? Please tell me I m wrong
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Chris Hargreaves is a good coach but is struggling being a manager he has lost his way. I don't think he knows his best team because if he does we've got problems. Chris needs to get back with Bristoe up front from the start with Bowman.
You know it makes sense.
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SBP wrote:It appears that this is the lowest league position in our history?? Please tell me I m wrong
We lost to Gateshead 3-1 on the opening day. That would be our lowest position. But I do remember in our 2nd season in the conference under buckle losing at Kidderminster we where 17th. It's all irrelevant , as we will finish 18th this season. We are spineless as a team, sad times.
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Thanks Lucy, couldn't remember that. Sad times indeed
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forevertufc wrote:
Lets hope we stay in the Trophy now.
You mean lets hope we stay in the wham bam thank you f***ing ma'am, part-time shite, crap ref/lino,Vanarama/Blue in the face Square/Alliance mickey dickey non league premier division.

A while back I predicted we would finish this season in 20th position on 50pts. With this bunch of relegation infected wasters I'm not sure we'll finish in THAT lofty place.

Would you employ a player with successive seasons of non-achievement on their c.v.? Effectively, six or seven professional football careers are over. And for spite, they are determined to finish TUFC as a going concern as they exit Plainmoor.

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forevertufc wrote: We're already down to our core supporters


probably because they've died/moved away.

I'm still here and still f***ing angry.

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Trojan 67 wrote: You mean lets hope we stay in the wham bam thank you f***ing ma'am, part-time shite, crap ref/lino,Vanarama/Blue in the face Square/Alliance mickey dickey non league premier division.

A while back I predicted we would finish this season in 20th position on 50pts. With this bunch of relegation infected wasters I'm not sure we'll finish in THAT lofty place.
I did some nerding after my earlier post, your nearly right, if things don't change form wise, we're currently set for 19th place finish and would avoid relegation by a whopping 4 points.. :) ... :'(
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THis will be our worst finishing position for around 90 years - almost a century. In 2015 we are unable to be what the club was in the 1920s, in an era of trams, poor roads, no TV, yet a strong non-league club.

It is likely that had automatic relegation from the Football League existed in 1985, we would have sank, in 1986, to a 2nd successive relegation from what was the Alliance Premier, straight into regional football (no Conference South in those days) and into the Southern League but the re-election system saved us twice and we managed, thanks to Cyril Knowles to avoid that by becoming decent again. So, it is possibly only on a technicality that this is the worst team, because the team of 1986 probably would not have survived the Conference.
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Post by kevgull »

Rumours of a takeover
Shipping our young talent
Poor discipline
Inconsistent squad
Inexperience management team
Brittle boardroom
Poor FA cup run
4 wins in 20 Conference games
Gates dropping
Dreaming of finishing above the Drop zone
Season hanging on the FA Thropy
Anymore?

This isn't Premiershite supporting, this is proper stuff!
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I liked Chris Hargreaves as a player. He was a leader and I thought he would make a good manager. I am now having doubts. As Arcadia has posted, some of his team selections have been bizarre and my personal gripe - I don't like managers criticising players in the media. It doesn't do anything for confidence/morale. Have a go at them in the changing room/on the training ground - yes. But not in the media. After Saturday's match, he commented on the radio "There striker was cleverer than our two central defenders". If I was Downes or Pearce, I wouldn't be exactly over the moon with a comment like that.
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