madgull wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 05:57
Don't think a personal attack was really necessary there, maybe let's leave those at the door?
I'm sorry that you've lost your faith in experts, Southampton Gull. I'm sorry that the way the country is run and covid has been managed ultimately craps on so many people that they'd rather believe a conspiracy than the simple truth that it's a horrible virus, and we're bungling our way through. I won't go into everything her qualifications have entailed, but YES she is qualified to make judgements on covid, and YES she has seen people die OF covid (AND from covid aggravating pre-existing conditions).
I'm not gonna try and change your view, but for what it's worth I always read your posts on various topics with a very open mind. And it's true, there's times when we need to call out what we see as conspiracies/plots - your stance on Uncle Clarke has always been very persuasive, and I'm inclined to agree with you as to his ultimate intentions. But please just try and keep an open mind on covid. And ask yourself, is it more likely that a bunch of silver spooners are caught up in some incredibly well-ordhestratred global plot, or that they're just idiot humans like the rest of us and are cocking it up a bit?
Please just be careful, as much as you do grate on me with your "uniquely abrasive" ways sometimes, I get the sense from your posts that you're a decent chap underneath, and the bottom line is I just really don't wanna see you or your family (or any of the other myriad covid-doubters I see on here) get sick.
To be honest it was a flippant remark, apologies for that. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I've kept an open mind all the way through this bullshit, believe it or not. I've debated immunologists, microbiologists, doctors, nurses and all kinds of people because I follow evidence. Not one single person has ever been able to show me conclusive proof that covid even exists. Even the government downgraded "covid 19" on March 19th 2020 and I attach the link to prove it, it's been updated a number of times during the "pandemic".
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-conseq ... eases-hcid
"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs."
That was updated yet again just recently.
I had a lovely discussion with my own Doctor after my surgery were pestering me to take their poison. I asked him which one he was suggesting I take and he said the Astrazenica. I suggested that he would be better to advise me to look after my immune system rather than persuade me to take an experimental jab that was only called a vaccine after they changed the definition and can only be administered under EUA (Emergency Use Authorisation). Initially he said that I was mistaken, the vaccine was tried and tested and proven safe. I then suggested he read the evidence from this particular government website. At this point he asked if I objected to being put on speakerphone so that a Senior Doctor could hear what I was saying. I could hear him in the background saying I was totally correct about the Government website stating covid was no longer an HCID.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746
It clearly states there that the trials end on Valentines Day 2023. Again, it's a Government website. No conspiracy.
The same applies for the Pfizer version although that is estimated to complete in May 2023.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
Moderna, is that proven safe? Not yet it seems. October 2022 at the earliest.
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427
After I asked my Doctor to show me one piece of evidence to prove covid exists he admitted he didn't know of any. Perhaps your Fiancee could help? I've seen studies that conclude but there is never isolation of any virus. Without that you can't possibly prove contagion. After pointing out that my Doctor should look at my medical records to see if he still felt I should take this trial drug he confirmed what I already knew. Three visits to the surgery in 37 years showed I'm healthy and have nothing to fear. He was more than happy to put me down as "Contact in 2023 when the trials end".
I don't doubt people are getting ill. After more than a year of wearing stupid ineffective masks and being denied normal medical treatment and being forced to sanitise at every opportunity the healthiest of people would start feeling under the weather. There are many things changing in our lives that make us unhealthy, currently it seems that only covid is the cause.
Throughout all of this there are only two members of my family that have fallen ill. One, my brother in law, thought I was losing the plot and happily had his AZ shot. The following morning he collapsed and was rushed to hospital for tests. Nothing conclusive but he says he still feels that something isn't right. He was perfectly healthy before and is still in his 40's.
My sister in law works at a health centre and was happy to have her vaccine. She went for the second and a week after complaining she was ill from it she collapsed at work. Neither of these were reported to the MHRA Yellow Card reporting system. Maybe they weren't connected to taking the vaccine, maybe they were but the only two people in my family to have taken it both became ill. Make of that what you will. There's nothing factual so although I keep it in mind I don't use it as evidence of anything.
People are free to believe whatever they want but my objection to you advising people to take the test is that these tests contain Ethylene Oxide. It's a well known carcinogen so repeatedly taking tests is also going to make people unhealthy.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... lene-oxide
No conspiracy there.
The PCR tests are not fit for purpose, there is limitless evidence to prove that so I won't bore you with it but the government raise the CT (Cycle Threshold) whenever they see fit and can create a hotspot any time they choose. They can even lower the CT and make out the vaccines are working..... Look at the rises in cases of women having menstrual problems, infertlity rising, I could go on and on. They're working, just not the way we're told. The evidence is there.
I've said all the way through this, don't believe a word I say but look at the evidence. It isn't conspiracy, it isn't political science it's just science. Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and that idiot Ferguson from Imperial College are all lying through their teeth.
I apologise for calling you an idiot but please don't call me a conspiracy theorist, that's even more insulting. I could go on and on about what I've uncovered and am more than happy to carry on this discussion privately where I would be more than happy to look at any evidence your other half can offer. I don't seek to change anyones mind but I'm so fed up with people accepting this nonsense without actually checking things for themselves. Each to their own.
I'll definitely give those articles a read, even if they don't meet my threshold for 'no covid' I would not be surprised if there is some seriously shady s**t going on!