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I don't think anyone believes that Ellis is all of a sudden some kind of world beater. He's had plenty of stinkers during his time here, he's also played pretty well at times too.

What most fans seem to be fed up with is ling's persistence in playing his favourite, who is shockingly out of form, and unwillingness to try something else. Could be the kick up the arse BS needs.

To be quite honest DY, having just watched the highlights (if thats the word to use) several times over at different speeds, im hard pressed to point the finger at the centre backs for any of the goals yesterday. Possibly the first (maybe?) as the back 4 played the line to get an offside apart from Joe O who was a little further back and probably played Jo K onside. The second, the centrebacks were marking their men and Jo K stole in at the back post despite Atieno and Manse trying to stop him. 3rd was a penalty they couldnt do much about. The 4th they were both sticking to a player each, either side of the pitch and in a 3 v 2. As soon as they came in to tackle Rooney(?) he just passed it out to a now unmarked Nouble. The 5th was hardly down to the centre backs either.
He may look like a fish out of water at times but I dont think anyone could honestly point the finger at him or Robbo yesterday for culpability in the goals.

Fair enough father, but my assessment is based on the season to date, not just yesterday.

Father - were you at the game yesterday? Because if you had been you would be under no illusion that our defence were utter drivel, particularly Brian Saah.

It was no coincidence that the pop side all resorted to calling for Mark Ellis.

Modgull wrote:Father - were you at the game yesterday? Because if you had been you would be under no illusion that our defence were utter drivel, particularly Brian Saah.

It was no coincidence that the pop side all resorted to calling for Mark Ellis.

Yes I was at the game, perched nicely near the top of the family stand so as I get a reasonable view of the entire pitch.
Do enlighten us with which bit of my assessment on the goals conceded you dont agree with and would apportion blame to the centre backs though

i dont agree that we need a new right back. i personally think joe oastler is doing ok and although didnt do anything outstanding on saturday (but then no one else did either) he actually didnt do anything wrong (which is more than can be said for the other players). in fact there were two certain goal scoring opportunities where he had the guts to intervene otherwise it would have been 7-2 !! also we have other options for right back eg robertson and mansell. we need to be looking for players in all areas of the pitch who are willing to defend and put in a tackle or two and show a bit of aggression. the two recent examples of this are the two goals which were scored by running the full length of the pitch. why on earth didnt someone intervene ?? simple answer they bottle it . we need more aggression all over the pitch but in my view you cant put aggression into a player theyve either got it or they havent and i am afraid to say a lot of our players havent.