Transfer discussion 25/26

[Dilmond]

Your comments make no sense.

Yes Truro were promoted, and Starmer was made Prime Minister of this country, but Starmer isn't fit to wipe a proper Prime Ministers arse is he?

Location - Location - Location! Do we have to dig up Copernicus to show people that Torquay actually isn't the center of the universe.

If we don't change this ridiculous outlook, then in the nether regions of football we will remain!

[Dave]

Yes Truro were promoted, and Starmer was made Prime Minister of this country, but Starmer isn't fit to wipe a proper Prime Ministers arse is he?

Location - Location - Location! Do we have to dig up Copernicus to show people that Torquay actually isn't the center of the universe.

If we don't change this ridiculous outlook, then in the nether regions of football we will remain!

I don't dissargee with your sentiment here but, there also has to be a common sense approach applied.

We don't have Holywood owners who can buy in whoever from wherever, the club only formally exited the CVA a couple of weeks ago, and is rightly run on a sustainability model.

I've been a member on here for more years than I can remember, personally said back before this club was ever relegated out of the EFL, the club was guilty of over looking rough diamond talent based right here in South West.

Until the club can guarantee gate figures will remain elevated, it sells one or two at a decent transfer profit, and Bryn build revenue streams from events as they've started, we are, where we are.

So if that means bringing in one two local based player's who are proven league winners at this level wouldn't look like bad business to me, obviously recruitment from further a field becomes easier as you get higher up the pyramid.

[brucie]

Well we wont be getting crowds of 5000 for very long then.

[Dave]

Well the 5000 crowds would never happen from the start of next season, the acid test will be whether attendances return to the 3,000 plus of last season or not, and the fact that, despite the football being dire more often than not our attendances only got bigger as the season went on, showing most fans are backing the club, and would rather line the pockets of TUFC, than DAZN as small numbers others seem to prefer (of course that doesn't apply to those who can't get to the games) If an individual fan support next season for TUFC is conditional on who our club signs, then I suggest, each person should question whether supporting TUFC is right for them and maybe they should consider Liverpool or someone. But enough of that, don't want this thread going off topic because of anything I've posted.


For a start this whole we might pick a few up from Truro is just pure speculation, and Wotton isn't sat at home waiting rubbing his hands together at the thought, that said, if the right player from Truro became available, of course he'd interested, this may be hard for some to comprehend, but over 46 games they were better than us, so why wouldn't he.

If some TUFC fans are waiting in the hope the club spunks north of £1.5 million on wages for ex EFL players to smash up the NLS, they're going to very disappointed. And this notion that some how if a player isn't from London, the North, or outer Hebrides then their no good, just shows how utterly narrow minded some of our fan base really is, good job Brentford and Aston Villa didn't think that way, or England as the humble lad Watkins who was is from Newton Abbot regardless of being born in Torbay hospital scored the winning goal v Holland at the Euros. Not forgetting those teams full of South West based losers who finished 1st and 2nd, the theory doesn't stack up so well.

Wonder what some would say if maybe Wotton signed Coulson and Pearson from WSM, I went to 1.1 draw up there, these two players were head and shoulders better than anything we had, but they play for Weston and they only finished 8th, so signing them would obviously be poor, and lack ambition ( not suggesting them as potential signings) As long as new recruits are better than what the club had, don't care where they've come from.

[Brixham63]

You don't have to look too far to see how it can be done. Exeter (yeah I know).

Watching and supporting any team requires a suspension of rationality by supporters, we want better bigger more of everything etc...I have permanently miserable West Ham mate, because they're never going to make it...but owners have to be rational.

The business model is sound. We are a new club and I have loved every minute of this season. I saw us lose Chesham and beat Hemel...met up with the family...saw old mates, watched a few on DZ tv with the WHU mate. I want the league...a Cup run..find another Lee Sharpe, Loram or O'Kane..

Supporting the team is the fun/frustration of football.

If Exeter can make fit work so can we.

[Southampton Gull]

On this seasons income alone we've exited the cva AND just missed automatic promotion. Crowds won't suddenly diminish unless we show no ambition whatsoever and I seriously don't expect anything less than promotion objectives from the Bryn members. There's nothing wrong with looking locally but equally nothing wrong looking further afield.

It's quite ironic that a longstanding member on here chooses to air the ridiculous notion of supporting other clubs especially after he only recently returned from a self imposed exile himself, what utter nonsense. Fans can rightly have expectations, that is what garners support.

I have total faith in the ownership we now have and that means we will target promotion within a sustainable model. It makes sense to recruit closer to home while in regional football but if the right player emerges I'm sure it doesn't matter where he's located if the interest is mutual.

[Dave]

On this seasons income alone we've exited the cva AND just missed automatic promotion. Crowds won't suddenly diminish unless we show no ambition whatsoever and I seriously don't expect anything less than promotion objectives from the Bryn members. There's nothing wrong with looking locally but equally nothing wrong looking further afield.

It's quite ironic that a longstanding member on here chooses to air the ridiculous notion of supporting other clubs especially after he only recently returned from a self imposed exile himself, what utter nonsense. Fans can rightly have expectations, that is what garners support.

I have total faith in the ownership we now have and that means we will target promotion within a sustainable model. It makes sense to recruit closer to home while in regional football but if the right player emerges I'm sure it doesn't matter where he's located if the interest is mutual.

Totally agree with everything you say here, if the club can attract good players from London and the North fantastic, reality however is they'd want bigger contracts that maybe beyond us at this time.

To answer the sentence aimed at me, yes I did stay away last season, it was in protest at Osborne and Co, I didn't go and support any other club, I went around Devon taking in local and semi pro football enjoyed every minute of it. Vowing only to return when they'd gone as I did instantly.

Ambition, yes of course we all want that, my point was simple, if you want big money spent on bringing players in from all over then TUFC isn't the right club for anyone thinking that way, quite a sound argument in my view.

Anyway what games are you coming to, can't stand you a beer if you don't come

[Dilmond]

Well the 5000 crowds would never happen from the start of next season, the acid test will be whether attendances return to the 3,000 plus of last season or not, and the fact that, despite the football being dire more often than not our attendances only got bigger as the season went on, showing most fans are backing the club, and would rather line the pockets of TUFC, than DAZN as small numbers others seem to prefer (of course that doesn't apply to those who can't get to the games) If an individual fan support next season for TUFC is conditional on who our club signs, then I suggest, each person should question whether supporting TUFC is right for them and maybe they should consider Liverpool or someone. But enough of that, don't want this thread going off topic because of anything I've posted.


For a start this whole we might pick a few up from Truro is just pure speculation, and Wotton isn't sat at home waiting rubbing his hands together at the thought, that said, if the right player from Truro became available, of course he'd interested, this may be hard for some to comprehend, but over 46 games they were better than us, so why wouldn't he.

If some TUFC fans are waiting in the hope the club spunks north of £1.5 million on wages for ex EFL players to smash up the NLS, they're going to very disappointed. And this notion that some how if a player isn't from London, the North, or outer Hebrides then their no good, just shows how utterly narrow minded some of our fan base really is, good job Brentford and Aston Villa didn't think that way, or England as the humble lad Watkins who was is from Newton Abbot regardless of being born in Torbay hospital scored the winning goal v Holland at the Euros. Not forgetting those teams full of South West based losers who finished 1st and 2nd, the theory doesn't stack up so well.

Wonder what some would say if maybe Wotton signed Coulson and Pearson from WSM, I went to 1.1 draw up there, these two players were head and shoulders better than anything we had, but they play for Weston and they only finished 8th, so signing them would obviously be poor, and lack ambition ( not suggesting them as potential signings) As long as new recruits are better than what the club had, don't care where they've come from.

Calm down Dave, you'll do yourself a disservice.

As usual we are doing things the safe way, or to be more precise, the Torquay United way! After escaping the clutches of Osborne we managed to fall into the safe hands of some United supporters. They in turn played it safe, and brought in a safe local manager, who in turn brought in a number of players that were local and he knew, so played it safe.

I am aware of budgets, I am aware of restraints, I am aware of location, I am aware of all the pitfalls that plague us.

I'm guessing that you're just content with going to the match on a Saturday, meeting up with likewise minded people and enjoying the day - whatever level we are competing in. I too would like to do exactly the same, but as I live in the arse-end of nowhere it's not possible.

[UnitedinDevon]

Calm down Dave, you'll do yourself a disservice.

As usual we are doing things the safe way, or to be more precise, the Torquay United way! After escaping the clutches of Osborne we managed to fall into the safe hands of some United supporters. They in turn played it safe, and brought in a safe local manager, who in turn brought in a number of players that were local and he knew, so played it safe.

I am aware of budgets, I am aware of restraints, I am aware of location, I am aware of all the pitfalls that plague us.

I'm guessing that you're just content with going to the match on a Saturday, meeting up with likewise minded people and enjoying the day - whatever level we are competing in. I too would like to do exactly the same, but as I live in the arse-end of nowhere it's not possible.

You're doing a huge discredit to the Bryn Consortium, they've done more in a month than Uncle Clarke did in numerous years

They've already shown their commitment and ambition to improve all aspects of the club and that's despite not having a huge amount of football knowledge, some safer plays aren't a huge surprise whilst they get up to speed

But then of course it's easy to moan

[leetufc]

Calm down Dave, you'll do yourself a disservice.

As usual we are doing things the safe way, or to be more precise, the Torquay United way! After escaping the clutches of Osborne we managed to fall into the safe hands of some United supporters. They in turn played it safe, and brought in a safe local manager, who in turn brought in a number of players that were local and he knew, so played it safe.

I am aware of budgets, I am aware of restraints, I am aware of location, I am aware of all the pitfalls that plague us.

I'm guessing that you're just content with going to the match on a Saturday, meeting up with likewise minded people and enjoying the day - whatever level we are competing in. I too would like to do exactly the same, but as I live in the arse-end of nowhere it's not possible.

Of course we played it safe at the beginning of last season - new owners, just out of administration, completely new squad to be built, no idea what the crowd sizes would be and therefore budget available.

However whilst we did sign a good portion of local players, we also brought in a number of youngsters from further afield - Dreyer, Carson, Hasani, Crosbie.

As the season progressed and crowds grew, I think we showed sizable ambition to bring in players like Young, Morgan, Jay and Zanzala over the course of the season.

The fact we also gave 2+ year deals to a large portion of the squad showed that it was a long term project, and not having to start again from scratch this season.

[Taelee73]

Who were you expecting them to bring in?

Wotton did a fantastic job at Truro, he knows this league, he’s based fairly locally I assume, he knows Warnock (even if it doesn’t mean a never ending supply of loans, it does add his well known name to Torquay Utd and his experience for Wotton to use if necessary). Im guessing Wotton was probably not too expensive to prise away from Truro or was he out of contract, I’ve no idea, same with his salary here or for how long, but maybe it’s a prove yourself deal. He’s up and coming, the right age and experience, good connections with Plymouth and Yeovil. I really don’t know who else we could have got at short notice, that was available and fancied the challenge.

A fantastic choice by the club and the fact they sold the idea of where they wanted the club to go to someone who knew we still owed money, the budget wouldn’t be huge, and we had one player on the books as we entered June was it?

As for next season, I assume we’ll try a mixture of experienced players, some unknowns, maybe a ‘marquee’ signing from the names suggested, maybe look at Lapslie, Booth, if WJD has no interest from elsewhere, then if Wotton has interest in him. In our position we have to look around us, to Truro, Yeovil, Weston, even Exeter castoffs, to bring a player from further away we would have to sell the idea to them, as everyone will be looking to do the same from every club around the country.

In the future maybe we can start paying pay a fee if it’s justified, but we’re not in that position yet, we have to see what our ST sales and attendances stay at next season. Will the prices stay the same? You’d hope the 3000 mark becomes the new normal no matter the football on display although hopefully now we have a strong defence we can start to add pace and guile. If they budget is based on guaranteed sustainable income then will it be increased slightly? Funds need spending on new ways of bringing in revenue, maybe Plainmoor needs more money spending on it. I’m sure they are looking and learning from the season just gone, and hopefully we’ll hear about plans for the youth development soon, as the opportunity to bring on our own players will benefit the team and our bank account if we sell them on.

In my mind the owners and Wotton have got far more right than wrong.

[brucie]

Oh come on - Were Truro better than us? we lost out by 2 goals and beat them 3 times in one season. They finished above us courtesy of a joke team that turned up to play them in the last match.

People wont just turn up at Plainmoor - supporters have every right to expect us to be challenging for the title. I would suggest if we end up signing Riley-Lowe and Palfrey as an example I dont think the fanbase would see that as a statement of intent. Signing a couple who cant be arsed to go full time and dont want to travel is hardly going to set the pulses racing.

People are not going to turn up to see a midtable team. Both the manager and chairman have stated that there are alot of players interested in signing for Torquay. If we end up with Riley-Lowe, Lapslie and Booth then I hink we will have to take that with a pinch of salt.

[Dilmond]

Who were you expecting them to bring in?

Wotton did a fantastic job at Truro, he knows this league, he’s based fairly locally I assume, he knows Warnock (even if it doesn’t mean a never ending supply of loans, it does add his well known name to Torquay Utd and his experience for Wotton to use if necessary). Im guessing Wotton was probably not too expensive to prise away from Truro or was he out of contract, I’ve no idea, same with his salary here or for how long, but maybe it’s a prove yourself deal. He’s up and coming, the right age and experience, good connections with Plymouth and Yeovil. I really don’t know who else we could have got at short notice, that was available and fancied the challenge.

A fantastic choice by the club and the fact they sold the idea of where they wanted the club to go to someone who knew we still owed money, the budget wouldn’t be huge, and we had one player on the books as we entered June was it?

As for next season, I assume we’ll try a mixture of experienced players, some unknowns, maybe a ‘marquee’ signing from the names suggested, maybe look at Lapslie, Booth, if WJD has no interest from elsewhere, then if Wotton has interest in him. In our position we have to look around us, to Truro, Yeovil, Weston, even Exeter castoffs, to bring a player from further away we would have to sell the idea to them, as everyone will be looking to do the same from every club around the country.

In the future maybe we can start paying pay a fee if it’s justified, but we’re not in that position yet, we have to see what our ST sales and attendances stay at next season. Will the prices stay the same? You’d hope the 3000 mark becomes the new normal no matter the football on display although hopefully now we have a strong defence we can start to add pace and guile. If they budget is based on guaranteed sustainable income then will it be increased slightly? Funds need spending on new ways of bringing in revenue, maybe Plainmoor needs more money spending on it. I’m sure they are looking and learning from the season just gone, and hopefully we’ll hear about plans for the youth development soon, as the opportunity to bring on our own players will benefit the team and our bank account if we sell them on.

In my mind the owners and Wotton have got far more right than wrong.

Thank you for your response taelee, but you didn't have to go into so much detail. All you really needed to say was: the club is now in safe hands, and the club and supporters are quite happy bumbling along in the National League South.

[culmstockgull]

As the saying goes, Rome was not built in a day, there can be little arguement that we over achieved last season considering the starting part. To rebuild a club is not an overnight operation and while we keyboard warriors argue whether this or that potential signing to be of benefit to the team behind the scenes the baord are building long term infrastructure where there was scant little before.
Part ime or full time, what the last two seasons have shown me is that it matters little, we have been turned over by any number of teams who on paper should have run out of steam by halftime. Local players or from the islands of scotland, again its the strength of character that matters most, going home after each match to see family in an environment that you have grown up in as opposed to a room in the gulls house must be a bonus to any player.
This coming seasons acquisitions will be more measured, will they all be a success, definetlely not, I believe trawling the lower leagues for that one rough diamond for us is a waste of time, it is a full time role for many clubs with far better scouting set ups and more shrewd eyes than we can bring to bear.
We have a defensive line up as good as any in the league, at times a talented forward line and we all agree where the strengthening needs to occur and
more inprtantly so does Wotton, lets just see what he pulls out of the bag.

[Dilmond]

As the saying goes, Rome was not built in a day, there can be little arguement that we over achieved last season considering the starting part. To rebuild a club is not an overnight operation and while we keyboard warriors argue whether this or that potential signing to be of benefit to the team behind the scenes the baord are building long term infrastructure where there was scant little before.
Part ime or full time, what the last two seasons have shown me is that it matters little, we have been turned over by any number of teams who on paper should have run out of steam by halftime. Local players or from the islands of scotland, again its the strength of character that matters most, going home after each match to see family in an environment that you have grown up in as opposed to a room in the gulls house must be a bonus to any player.
This coming seasons acquisitions will be more measured, will they all be a success, definetlely not, I believe trawling the lower leagues for that one rough diamond for us is a waste of time, it is a full time role for many clubs with far better scouting set ups and more shrewd eyes than we can bring to bear.
We have a defensive line up as good as any in the league, at times a talented forward line and we all agree where the strengthening needs to occur and
more inprtantly so does Wotton, lets just see what he pulls out of the bag.

" let's just see what he pulls out of the bag. " Well done c-gull, that's all we need to do.