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I'm with you all the way on that Dave; but this squad is a million miles away from even a mid-table finish and so the man responsible ~ whether it be Internet provision, greyhound racing or property development ~ pays the price within the structure of one of Osborne's enterprises. Osborne will not be selecting the next manager, he will charge Harrop to do that and if he in turn fails to deliver as Nicholson was doing then he too will be toast eventually.Southampton Gull wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 08:16 I'm neither naive nor too complacent to understand that the beleagured manager was given a budget and told that he needed to achieve a mid-table finish. That alone would tell any understanding person that GI don't give a shit and just want to hoodwink fans into believing in their "vision" for the club. Why do GI want a mid-table finish? Because it keeps us all thinking life under them ain't so bad. Let's see if they invest in an experienced management team or just another "cheap option".
Not wishing to divert attention from your correct assertion Dave; there is also the not by any means small matter that (as it stands at present) the club is just not sufficiently structured to contemplate being in the EFL. That restructuring has to take place and that takes time.
Very good post, Jack.Jack wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 10:11 I have been disappointed but not surprised at some of the vitriol and bile directed at Nicho.
I have never managed a football team at any level but prior to retirement I spent 30+ years managing people. When I was 33 I upped sticks from Torbay, moved 200 miles and took on a job managing a department of 50+ people. I was young, enthusiastic and keen to succeed. I was also stubborn, pig headed and my immediate boss was generally disinterested in his job and gave me minimal help and guidance. With the benefit of hindsight I would have done a lot of things differently and whilst I wasn't sacked I am sure that if I had been in the public eye as football managers are, there would have been plenty of criticism of my performance.
I have a lot of sympathy for Nicho because I have been there in my working life. Like him I always looked to develop people who worked for me and that is one of the most satisfying aspects of people manager. In his two years as manager he has helped a number of players improve themselves most notably perhaps Angus MacDonald who changed from a petulant child on the pitch to a seasoned pro in half a season.
Whatever Nicho decides to do and his life skills fit him for many roles I hope that it works for him. If he remains in football management I hope that he finds a club that really appreciates his enthusiasm and effort and that there is someone in the Boardroom or on the Coaching staff who can mentor him and challenge him when needed. Go for it Nicho!
I haven't seen much vitriol and bile, just about 50% of people saying that Nicho should have gone and it was the right decision. Hell most of those comments were prefaced with the fact that Nicho is a great guy and has done great work in the community. Hargreaves got and continues to get a much rougher ride from the fans and there's no Chris Crocker types telling people to leave him alone. Lets us remember as well that Hargreaves was practically a god amongst the fans before his managerial spell - there was no taint like there is with Mansell or controversy like with Nicho/Knill.Jack wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 10:11 I have been disappointed but not surprised at some of the vitriol and bile directed at Nicho.
In what way?Southampton Gull wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 10:39 He wasn't ready or willing to be their yes man and has paid the price.
Jack wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 10:11 I have been disappointed but not surprised at some of the vitriol and bile directed at Nicho.
I have never managed a football team at any level but prior to retirement I spent 30+ years managing people. When I was 33 I upped sticks from Torbay, moved 200 miles and took on a job managing a department of 50+ people. I was young, enthusiastic and keen to succeed. I was also stubborn, pig headed and my immediate boss was generally disinterested in his job and gave me minimal help and guidance. With the benefit of hindsight I would have done a lot of things differently and whilst I wasn't sacked I am sure that if I had been in the public eye as football managers are, there would have been plenty of criticism of my performance.
I have a lot of sympathy for Nicho because I have been there in my working life. Like him I always looked to develop people who worked for me and that is one of the most satisfying aspects of people manager. In his two years as manager he has helped a number of players improve themselves most notably perhaps Angus MacDonald who changed from a petulant child on the pitch to a seasoned pro in half a season.
Whatever Nicho decides to do and his life skills fit him for many roles I hope that it works for him. If he remains in football management I hope that he finds a club that really appreciates his enthusiasm and effort and that there is someone in the Boardroom or on the Coaching staff who can mentor him and challenge him when needed. Go for it Nicho!
You should realise that to a happy clapper anything short of sycophancy is 'vitriol and bile'; the very simple FACT of the team on the pitch being at the wrong end of the table ~ indeed one point from fifteen is the current predicament ~ and of having signed players not physically able to even start the season is totally lost on the.........in the real world such things do get managers sacked.SenorDingDong wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 10:39 I haven't seen much vitriol and bile, just about 50% of people saying that Nicho should have gone and it was the right decision.
merse btpir wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 11:19 You should realise that to a happy clapper anything short of sycophancy is 'vitriol and bile'; the very simple FACT of the team on the pitch being at the wrong end of the table ~ indeed one point from fifteen is the current predicament ~ and of having signed players not physically able to even start the season is totally lost on the.........in the real world such things do get managers sacked.
kevgull wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 07:49 Always look on the bright side of life.
5 games gone and were only 8 points off a Play Off spot!
well done - this really put things into perspective - all is not lost yet!Very good post Jack. I'm with you all the way. I've noticed that you've been missing on here for a little while. As your posts are normally reasoned and well thought through, it's good to see you back.Jack wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 10:11 I have been disappointed but not surprised at some of the vitriol and bile directed at Nicho.
I have never managed a football team at any level but prior to retirement I spent 30+ years managing people. When I was 33 I upped sticks from Torbay, moved 200 miles and took on a job managing a department of 50+ people. I was young, enthusiastic and keen to succeed. I was also stubborn, pig headed and my immediate boss was generally disinterested in his job and gave me minimal help and guidance. With the benefit of hindsight I would have done a lot of things differently and whilst I wasn't sacked I am sure that if I had been in the public eye as football managers are, there would have been plenty of criticism of my performance.
I have a lot of sympathy for Nicho because I have been there in my working life. Like him I always looked to develop people who worked for me and that is one of the most satisfying aspects of people manager. In his two years as manager he has helped a number of players improve themselves most notably perhaps Angus MacDonald who changed from a petulant child on the pitch to a seasoned pro in half a season.
Whatever Nicho decides to do and his life skills fit him for many roles I hope that it works for him. If he remains in football management I hope that he finds a club that really appreciates his enthusiasm and effort and that there is someone in the Boardroom or on the Coaching staff who can mentor him and challenge him when needed. Go for it Nicho!
Thank you for that Tomogull. I view the Forum fairly regularly but rarely feel inspired to contribute. Whilst i didn't really follow some of the Nicholson decisions like the loan signings who rarely played or the bizarre team selections during this pre season l was trying to put his management performance into the context of managing during a very unstable time with little help or guidance from anyone. If I was an aspiring manager I would be very wary of joining our club at the present time because as wel as the uncertainty surrounding our future we have also got the location problem as well. I see that on another thread the boy Wilkinson is being put forward as a possible recruit. He seems to have enjoyed a good steady long term relationship with his Chairman which has no doubt been a big factor in the success he has had. I don't think that would happen at Plainmoor with the current regime.tomogull wrote: 21 Aug 2017, 18:12 Very good post Jack. I'm with you all the way. I've noticed that you've been missing on here for a little while. As your posts are normally reasoned and well thought through, it's good to see you back.