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Porky · Post by **Porky** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:20

It was the term " fitness psycho" that really grinds my gears. He has probably forgotten more about fitness than us keyboard warriors will ever know. Were they bulked up by the winners formula? Doubtful as you hardly ever saw them there. Was it also his fault that nicho signed crocks and duds......nope. like i say the players I have witnessed in the gym have had relatively more success within a pi $$ poor outfit underachievers.
Didn't even mention the various charity events they put on at the "psycho's" gym raising thousands every year.
I doubt if he even got paid for his work, if Steve's gym was anything to go by he probably got the square root of sod all. And he wouldn't have done it for the publicity either, that's for sure. He'd have been better off avoiding the poison chalice altogether.

Porky · Post by **Porky** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:28

Have owers and kuhl managed nicely without him. They have shipping goals in the last ten minutes with a tedious inevitability before and after they took the helm. Surely that's aalso fitness related. At the end of the day you can have all the fitness gurus you like it's down to the individual player to manage their fitness levels and this abject shower have been found wanting all season. Except a few who you do actually see taking their fitness seriously thanks to free use of winners gym.

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:28

Not really interested in him any more mate; he was part of a failed regime and we have moved on. That's enough for me.

The end product was appalling for the club, another embarrassment and quite frankly; not good enough!

Porky · Post by **Porky** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:29

"Moved on from a failed regime" amen to that!

nickbrod · Post by **nickbrod** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:40

Not quite clear how fitness and Porky fit together!

Porky · Post by **Porky** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:46

Brilliant!
Goes back to my marathon running days, I'd put on a bit of timber one winter and the running club nickname stuck. I'm actually quite svelte these days!

Post by **Dave** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:50

Porky not going to argue with your knowledge of fitness, and your own ability to run and cycle distances, nor am I going to critize the great work done by winners in terms of the amount of local people they help.

But we should all know, there's a world of difference between helping some one get fitter, turn fat into lean muscle, and generally feel better about themselves, than what's needed for a professional footballer, to be fit for 90 minutes of football.

There's also a big difference in my opinion, in the fitness required to run 10K and play 90 minutes of football. I never saw the squad in winners, but a few close friends use it, and did see them, from what they told me, the problem was never the fact they were training there from time to time, but what they were doing and in some cases during unsupervised sessions, what they were not doing, also the timing of they were doing it.

The squad were never fit for 90 minutes of football during Nicho's reign, I used to find embarrassing looking down from the top step of the popside, at players with the tell tail red blotchy skin, while blowing worse than 1978 reg car built in Dagenham.

nickbrod · Post by **nickbrod** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:55

Porky wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 19:46 Brilliant!
Goes back to my marathon running days, I'd put on a bit of timber one winter and the running club nickname stuck. I'm actually quite svelte these days!

You should be Pinky then!

Porky · Post by **Porky** » 31 Mar 2018, 19:57

You hit the nail on the head forever "not doing" I remember Steve's gym during the buckle years and Danny Stevens and Elliott Benyon sat on the exercise bikes chatting away. I agree with you no-ones going to get match fit sat on an exercise bike. The fitness levels appalled me too, when I know people over 50 running half marathons in well under an hour and a half and we pay to watch 20 somethings knackered by half time....disgraceful, but endemic over a number of years and yet another example of the headlong curtailing into oblivion of our beloved gulls.

Post by **Dave** » 31 Mar 2018, 20:30

Agree in return Porky. Perhaps being a bit unfair just to single out Nicho, I can remember during our first relegation season from the football league, that team lost a lot of games by the odd goal, and often late in games, I had the same feeling back then about a distinct lack of fitness being the route cause.

Sometimes lack of fitness is perceived, it can be down to lack of ability, poor coaching etc, as we all know, if your team is constantly giving the ball away and conceding possession, they're going to expend a lot more energy.

Think the problem TUFC and clubs our size face is a lack of resource, there's a lot of responsibility placed on the individual player to eat and drink correctly, and do some of the fitness work under their own guidance, but this is where it does lead right back to the manager, if an individual player is turning up for duty unfit, then it's down to the manager to find out why.

As much as he was unpopular, that's something that Buckle would do, and some other previous managers may not have.

Teigngull · Post by **Teigngull** » 31 Mar 2018, 21:08

forevertufc wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 20:30 Agree in return Porky. Perhaps being a bit unfair just to single out Nicho, I can remember during our first relegation season from the football league, that team lost a lot of games by the odd goal, and often late in games, I had the same feeling back then about a distinct lack of fitness being the route cause.

Sometimes lack of fitness is perceived, it can be down to lack of ability, poor coaching etc, as we all know, if your team is constantly giving the ball away and conceding possession, they're going to expend a lot more energy.

Think the problem TUFC and clubs our size face is a lack of resource, there's a lot of responsibility placed on the individual player to eat and drink correctly, and do some of the fitness work under their own guidance, but this is where it does lead right back to the manager, if an individual player is turning up for duty unfit, then it's down to the manager to find out why.

As much as he was unpopular, that's something that Buckle would do, and some other previous managers may not have.

Where did you get the notion that Bucks was unpopular ?
He knew his players inside out & respected each ones abilities , knew the league inside out &,the way to be successful which he achieved & a lot of his players @Tufc went on & made a good career thanks to him not in spite of him.
Something I would've thought some of his ex players who went on to manage us should of taken on board, instead of thinking they knew a better way & end up in complete failure as they did .

lucy6lucy · Post by **lucy6lucy** » 31 Mar 2018, 21:19

Teigngull wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 21:08 Where did you get the notion that Bucks was unpopular ?
He knew his players inside out & respected each ones abilities , knew the league inside out &,the way to be successful which he achieved & a lot of his players @Tufc went on & made a good career thanks to him not in spite of him.
Something I would've thought some of his ex players who went on to manage us should of taken on board, instead of thinking they knew a better way & end up in complete failure as they did .

Fair point, but buckle had a budget any league 1 club would be jealous of. Let’s not forget buckle screwed us big style in the playoff final at old Trafford. As for controlling players ask south Devon police when zebroski went crazy

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 31 Mar 2018, 21:20

Teigngull wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 21:08Think the problem TUFC and clubs our size face is a lack of resource, there's a lot of responsibility placed on the individual player to eat and drink correctly, and do some of the fitness work under their own guidance.......

I think this is where you hit the nail on the head of why a so called full-time club were beaten time and time again by part-time clubs under that regime......

That is the manner in which many clubs with limited time on the training pitch through being part-time operate and I know many a player who has to personally manage their own fitness in this manner. I was chatting to a management team only last Saturday who through the fixture backlog are only managing to train on one (Thursday) evening per week and to maximise time on the training pitch going through shape, re-start routines, set pieces and the very necessary repetetive practice of technique; prepare personal fitness programmes and dietry requirements for all of their players and through this have managed to stay in their promotion play-off picture all season.

Post by **Dave** » 31 Mar 2018, 21:27

I nevet said it was my belief Bucks was unpopular with his players, I meant unpopular with fans. Merse you quoted the wrong person above :na:

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 31 Mar 2018, 22:26

So I did; carelessness with the quote facility....sorry!

To add to what I said earlier: it's no good remaining full-time if all you sign are players who would only get part-time elsewhere. Examples of that have been Harrad, Kuklowski, Pittman, Anderson, Clarke, and there were many more. Awful bloody signings on far too much money for what they bring to the table and signed through careless management and lack of due diligence.

That's where careless managerial appointments get you......in the shit for long after that managerial selection has left into the bargain!

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