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DTG wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-23950993
It would appear that Plymouth Council are bending over backwards to help PAFC by giving them land to complete the project. What do we get?

Kernowgull wrote:They are nothing to do with Cornwall. Cornwall is a wonderful, and beautiful part of the world. Plymouth is a hovel.

Thanks

Kernowgull

Gullscorer wrote:We should not confuse Plymouth Argyle the football club with the people who owned the company that owned the club. This was not the fault of the football fans of Plymouth who did not deserve what happened, any more than the Gulls fans deserved a certain Mr Roberts sending us down to the Conference. We were lucky not to suffer the same fate as Argyle.

James Brent's consortium which now owns Argyle was not responsible for the previous owners' debts, but with Brent now in charge it looks as if the Pilgrims can look forward to a brighter future and, thanks to the Home Park re-developments and to Plymouth City Council, Argyle will eventually repay the money raised to secure that future.

The future's bright for the Gulls too, but we should retain our independence, and not worry about Torbay Council. Local authorities have their own financial problems, and their policies change over time. Our club is progressing nicely and sensibly, but we should be patient. Torquay United is a small club and will remain so even if we do a Yeovil with success on the pitch. If the club tries to act otherwise it may trip up financially and fall flat on it's face, but thankfully there seems to be little chance of that happening.

Jerry wrote: As any good Devonian will tell you, the Cornish are the enemy of all that is good in this world and must be contained at all costs! :na:

Gullscorer wrote:We should not confuse Plymouth Argyle the football club with the people who owned the company that owned the club. This was not the fault of the football fans of Plymouth who did not deserve what happened, any more than the Gulls fans deserved a certain Mr Roberts sending us down to the Conference. We were lucky not to suffer the same fate as Argyle.

James Brent's consortium which now owns Argyle was not responsible for the previous owners' debts, but with Brent now in charge it looks as if the Pilgrims can look forward to a brighter future and, thanks to the Home Park re-developments and to Plymouth City Council, Argyle will eventually repay the money raised to secure that future.

The future's bright for the Gulls too, but we should retain our independence, and not worry about Torbay Council. Local authorities have their own financial problems, and their policies change over time. Our club is progressing nicely and sensibly, but we should be patient. Torquay United is a small club and will remain so even if we do a Yeovil with success on the pitch. If the club tries to act otherwise it may trip up financially and fall flat on it's face, but thankfully there seems to be little chance of that happening.

"DTG wrote:
Nice of you to be so generous with 17 million pounds worth of other peoples money GS. Didn't the Greeks go down for 5 Mill? Of course they both got nice new pitches and stands for the fraud so that's alright then.

What I'm suggesting is collaboration. For example a Joint Season Ticket. We play alternate weekends and STH's get to go to watch both teams. The financial logistics could be worked out I'm sure. Or how about a Support Devon Football Loyalty Card? All 3 teams could benefit from this. Sell it for 15 (fiver for each club) quid and sign up businesses from all over Devon to support it. Joint Youth and Training facilities etc.

tomogull wrote: Hey - no racism on this site please !!! No doubt I'm one of Kernow's cousins (they all inter-breed on the other side of the Tamar) but always remember - you have to pay to get into Cornwall but to get back into Devon, it's free .......

thegreedygull wrote:A hovel, been to Camborne recently ?

Gullscorer wrote: I was merely stating what I perceived to be the legal situation. Of course I feel sorry for people who have lost money, it's amiss of you to insinuate that I don't, and doubly amiss to imply that I tolerate fraud, but legalities take no account of emotion. The present owners of Plymouth Argyle are not to blame for the misjudgements of the previous owners, and neither are Argyle's fans. PAFC did not steal from the community, and if the previous owners had committed theft they would have been charged accordingly and brought to court. It was their bad business decisions which caused the problem, not James Brent, not the Argyle fans. Why should they be castigated for something which was not their fault?

As for collaboration and joint season tickets, are you having a laugh? Most potential supporters of both clubs can hardly afford to watch one home game a month. It's a deprived area. Only a small core of fans are able and willing to spend their money on frequent attendance at games, with travelling expenses on top. Collaboration really is a non-starter.